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		<title>Comment on About by mohammad</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/about/#comment-20693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mohammad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 09:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you know i never ever expected that there are other muslims out there who also suffer the conflict of their sexual preference and our religion. I am a very faithful Muslim.i try to set my self the right path as much as i can I never miss prayers, i try to pray at masjid not only on fridays, i do not drink, try to respect everyone and do good deeds such as community service, volunteer, etc, with the intention for hasanat (virtues, not sure if thats the word). what used to make me feel really bad about my self and lowered my self esteem was being gay (dont know what else should i call it). i knew i was attracted to men since 11 yrs old, but didn&#039;t know that homosexuality existed by at that age. as i reached 16 i knew there&#039;s something wrong and i need to fix. i looked everywhere on the web for a &#039;cure&#039; for my homosexuality. i tried everything i found but i knew it was hopeless. however, i have managed another way to prevent myself from committing adultery. first, i believe that making my parents happy outweighs my sexual desires million times. second, i imagine myself 30 yrs from now (im 21) being surrounded by my kids taking care of me just like im doing to my parents. i know that im 100% attracted to men, and im dont really feel bad about it anymore. in fact, im proud of what person i became. you are the first muslim website/group that actually feels what i go through. most muslim scholars would never accept that it is not my fault im attracted to men. however,as mentioned, acting upon it is what prohibited. i tried to find a loophole in islam that would tolerate homosexuality, but to be honest, i failed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you know i never ever expected that there are other muslims out there who also suffer the conflict of their sexual preference and our religion. I am a very faithful Muslim.i try to set my self the right path as much as i can I never miss prayers, i try to pray at masjid not only on fridays, i do not drink, try to respect everyone and do good deeds such as community service, volunteer, etc, with the intention for hasanat (virtues, not sure if thats the word). what used to make me feel really bad about my self and lowered my self esteem was being gay (dont know what else should i call it). i knew i was attracted to men since 11 yrs old, but didn&#8217;t know that homosexuality existed by at that age. as i reached 16 i knew there&#8217;s something wrong and i need to fix. i looked everywhere on the web for a &#8216;cure&#8217; for my homosexuality. i tried everything i found but i knew it was hopeless. however, i have managed another way to prevent myself from committing adultery. first, i believe that making my parents happy outweighs my sexual desires million times. second, i imagine myself 30 yrs from now (im 21) being surrounded by my kids taking care of me just like im doing to my parents. i know that im 100% attracted to men, and im dont really feel bad about it anymore. in fact, im proud of what person i became. you are the first muslim website/group that actually feels what i go through. most muslim scholars would never accept that it is not my fault im attracted to men. however,as mentioned, acting upon it is what prohibited. i tried to find a loophole in islam that would tolerate homosexuality, but to be honest, i failed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/about/#comment-20640</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 09:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salam, Jack, and thank you for the interesting thoughts and experiences you&#039;ve shared.

Without taking away from your individuality, I know that many of the things you&#039;ve said will resonate with many readers. And contrary to the reading that  many people choose to impose on our writings here, we do NOT promote the idea that people should be &quot;ashamed of themselves&quot; and live a life of misery. Our simple point is to recognise what Allah allows and forbids, and thus control our desires - and to do this in a sustainable way, this also entails self-development to GUIDE those desires. And we advocate the positive outlook that you&#039;ve explained, in that this test (of SSA) can have many good effects in this life if approached properly, and can result in great rewards in the Hereafter for patience and obedience to the Creator.

I think you&#039;re very much on the right track in seeking male friendships (and Islamic brotherhood) to fulfil something in your life that&#039;s missing. In fact, if you reflect on this deeply, you may realise that the lack of this may have a lot to do with the sexual feelings you&#039;ve developed. On that basis, forming those friendships can have an effect in reducing the other feelings, if the element of &quot;distance/mystery&quot; is reduced. If coupled with getting married (if you&#039;re confident you can do right by your wife), then this could be a sustainable way of living, as thwarting SSA altogether is an unlikely outcome for most people.

These are some general thoughts, though I&#039;d encourage you to consider the support group at www.straightstruggle.com to share ideas and learn from other people&#039;s experiences and perspectives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam, Jack, and thank you for the interesting thoughts and experiences you&#8217;ve shared.</p>
<p>Without taking away from your individuality, I know that many of the things you&#8217;ve said will resonate with many readers. And contrary to the reading that  many people choose to impose on our writings here, we do NOT promote the idea that people should be &#8220;ashamed of themselves&#8221; and live a life of misery. Our simple point is to recognise what Allah allows and forbids, and thus control our desires &#8211; and to do this in a sustainable way, this also entails self-development to GUIDE those desires. And we advocate the positive outlook that you&#8217;ve explained, in that this test (of SSA) can have many good effects in this life if approached properly, and can result in great rewards in the Hereafter for patience and obedience to the Creator.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re very much on the right track in seeking male friendships (and Islamic brotherhood) to fulfil something in your life that&#8217;s missing. In fact, if you reflect on this deeply, you may realise that the lack of this may have a lot to do with the sexual feelings you&#8217;ve developed. On that basis, forming those friendships can have an effect in reducing the other feelings, if the element of &#8220;distance/mystery&#8221; is reduced. If coupled with getting married (if you&#8217;re confident you can do right by your wife), then this could be a sustainable way of living, as thwarting SSA altogether is an unlikely outcome for most people.</p>
<p>These are some general thoughts, though I&#8217;d encourage you to consider the support group at <a href="http://www.straightstruggle.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.straightstruggle.com</a> to share ideas and learn from other people&#8217;s experiences and perspectives.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Jack</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/about/#comment-20638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 07:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salam,

I would like to start by saying this blog is essential --so glad people are talking about this.  Although I have to say I wholly reject the idea of being judged or told to be patient by heterosexual Muslim scholars, but a lot of what is said here can be potentially useful I think. My situation is as follows. I am a Muslim American man in my early early 20s. I come from a well known wealthy Arab family that is entirely homophobic and completely anti gay. Ironically, I am the pride and joy of my family, In a very short while, I&#039;ll have my PhD. In addition, I&#039;m social, unusually attractive, intelligent, respectful, and I have a reputation for being honest and trustworthy. Being such, my entire family is constantly constantly dreaming of my wedding. I hear about it every day. Honestly, I want nothing more than to meet the Ideal woman and start a family. However, I am gay. I am not ashamed by this. Nobody knows because I&#039;m very masculine and tend to have an aggressive personality; characteristics people associate with gays. I am very smooth with women as well so I&#039;ve gotten kind of a reputation for being a heart breaker. To be honest, Ive spent all my life trying to be an Ideal, perhaps because I want to compensate for my weakness for the same sex.  I hate the idea of being pitied; I prefer to be envied --I know this is very unIslamic. Anyhow, unlike many gay men who are in the closet. I don&#039;t hate myself. In fact, quite the opposite, I can really say that I love myself. If I wasn&#039;t gay, I wouldn&#039;t be the same person that my family loves. I wouldn&#039;t be doing all these amazing things with my life. Alhamdulilah, I do my best to never hurt anyone and to remain honorable. I have never had sex with a man. I&#039;m more interested in love than I am sex. I can live without sex but not without love. I haven&#039;t decided not to act on my homosexual feelings, but I have decided that if I do it will not be just because i&#039;m horney (please forgive my vulgar language). As a disclaimer I must say i&#039;m not 100% gay. I think I would be able to have sex with a woman. I have a very slight attraction to females, but my feelings for men are 10 times stronger. The reason I haven&#039;t had sex with men is (1) I don&#039;t want to deal with my family ---I&#039;m not ashamed of my sexuality --I was born this way, but I just don&#039;t want to argue with ignorance (2) As mercy for my parents --they would be devastated, alot of people envy them and might find joy from identifying something (they believe) is shameful with my family (3) I am hoping allah will reward me for not acting on my gay feelings (and here I want to distinguish between merely not punishing me and rewarding me --denying yourself such natural satisfaction in my opinion is a form of jihad and finally (4) I haven&#039;t been able to convince myself that my religion is wrong. I love everything about Islam except the prohibition on homosexual relations. I beleive that there are good reasons for it. I know it is the right thing to do. But I thing that Arab culture is distorting the message. The Imam of our masjid is an absolute idiot and hypocrite and I wouldn&#039;t come to him for advise on how to tie my shoes let alone deal with a religious issue. So here is my question I want to build stronger relationships with men and I think this may be able to help fulfill my desires without sex. I don&#039;t know how to do this. I am very distant with most men. If I am attracted to a guy, I stay away from him or I keep a very formal relationship with him. A lot of guys think I&#039;m stuck up but really I&#039;m just afraid of having a close relationship with a guy and being found out. Also, I find that a lot of men find me intimidating (something I am working on fixing). What can I do?
P.S. sorry for the mawal; I realize this is a very long story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam,</p>
<p>I would like to start by saying this blog is essential &#8211;so glad people are talking about this.  Although I have to say I wholly reject the idea of being judged or told to be patient by heterosexual Muslim scholars, but a lot of what is said here can be potentially useful I think. My situation is as follows. I am a Muslim American man in my early early 20s. I come from a well known wealthy Arab family that is entirely homophobic and completely anti gay. Ironically, I am the pride and joy of my family, In a very short while, I&#8217;ll have my PhD. In addition, I&#8217;m social, unusually attractive, intelligent, respectful, and I have a reputation for being honest and trustworthy. Being such, my entire family is constantly constantly dreaming of my wedding. I hear about it every day. Honestly, I want nothing more than to meet the Ideal woman and start a family. However, I am gay. I am not ashamed by this. Nobody knows because I&#8217;m very masculine and tend to have an aggressive personality; characteristics people associate with gays. I am very smooth with women as well so I&#8217;ve gotten kind of a reputation for being a heart breaker. To be honest, Ive spent all my life trying to be an Ideal, perhaps because I want to compensate for my weakness for the same sex.  I hate the idea of being pitied; I prefer to be envied &#8211;I know this is very unIslamic. Anyhow, unlike many gay men who are in the closet. I don&#8217;t hate myself. In fact, quite the opposite, I can really say that I love myself. If I wasn&#8217;t gay, I wouldn&#8217;t be the same person that my family loves. I wouldn&#8217;t be doing all these amazing things with my life. Alhamdulilah, I do my best to never hurt anyone and to remain honorable. I have never had sex with a man. I&#8217;m more interested in love than I am sex. I can live without sex but not without love. I haven&#8217;t decided not to act on my homosexual feelings, but I have decided that if I do it will not be just because i&#8217;m horney (please forgive my vulgar language). As a disclaimer I must say i&#8217;m not 100% gay. I think I would be able to have sex with a woman. I have a very slight attraction to females, but my feelings for men are 10 times stronger. The reason I haven&#8217;t had sex with men is (1) I don&#8217;t want to deal with my family &#8212;I&#8217;m not ashamed of my sexuality &#8211;I was born this way, but I just don&#8217;t want to argue with ignorance (2) As mercy for my parents &#8211;they would be devastated, alot of people envy them and might find joy from identifying something (they believe) is shameful with my family (3) I am hoping allah will reward me for not acting on my gay feelings (and here I want to distinguish between merely not punishing me and rewarding me &#8211;denying yourself such natural satisfaction in my opinion is a form of jihad and finally (4) I haven&#8217;t been able to convince myself that my religion is wrong. I love everything about Islam except the prohibition on homosexual relations. I beleive that there are good reasons for it. I know it is the right thing to do. But I thing that Arab culture is distorting the message. The Imam of our masjid is an absolute idiot and hypocrite and I wouldn&#8217;t come to him for advise on how to tie my shoes let alone deal with a religious issue. So here is my question I want to build stronger relationships with men and I think this may be able to help fulfill my desires without sex. I don&#8217;t know how to do this. I am very distant with most men. If I am attracted to a guy, I stay away from him or I keep a very formal relationship with him. A lot of guys think I&#8217;m stuck up but really I&#8217;m just afraid of having a close relationship with a guy and being found out. Also, I find that a lot of men find me intimidating (something I am working on fixing). What can I do?<br />
P.S. sorry for the mawal; I realize this is a very long story.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pav &#8220;out, proud&#8221; after all by yazz</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-20615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[yazz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No where is being Homosexual Gods way. Stop distorting the truth, the truth is there in black and white. Have some respect for your own religion at least. Shameful!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No where is being Homosexual Gods way. Stop distorting the truth, the truth is there in black and white. Have some respect for your own religion at least. Shameful!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The fallacy of &#8220;Islamic gay marriage&#8221; by Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2011/02/20/marriage-fallacy/#comment-20455</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 03:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just because someone has certain desires, that does not entitle them to re-write God&#039;s religion according to those desires. A person will only be rewarded or punished according to what they CHOOSE to do, not how they were made. This argument from determinism is getting really, really tired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because someone has certain desires, that does not entitle them to re-write God&#8217;s religion according to those desires. A person will only be rewarded or punished according to what they CHOOSE to do, not how they were made. This argument from determinism is getting really, really tired.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The fallacy of &#8220;Islamic gay marriage&#8221; by Selwyn Wise (@PheeWise)</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2011/02/20/marriage-fallacy/#comment-20453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Selwyn Wise (@PheeWise)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a pretty rude thing to say. If an imam is gay, that can&#039;t be helped. They didn&#039;t ask to be gay. And just because they love a man, their not entitled to live their dreams of teaching Islam? That&#039;s not fair. Allah made them gay. People don&#039;t CHOOSE to be gay. And how someone can be punished for what Allah made them is beyond me. But getting mad just because she has your name? Get over yourself and get over the situation. Some dudes marry dudes and some chicks marry chicks. Get over it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a pretty rude thing to say. If an imam is gay, that can&#8217;t be helped. They didn&#8217;t ask to be gay. And just because they love a man, their not entitled to live their dreams of teaching Islam? That&#8217;s not fair. Allah made them gay. People don&#8217;t CHOOSE to be gay. And how someone can be punished for what Allah made them is beyond me. But getting mad just because she has your name? Get over yourself and get over the situation. Some dudes marry dudes and some chicks marry chicks. Get over it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/about/#comment-20358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Steve, and thanks for your comment. You know, we Muslims are humanists too, but above all, we are theists. So while I could address a few of your opinions here, I ought to get straight to the heart of the matter and say: that is the difference between those who believe in God and the Hereafter, and those who don&#039;t. We can never reconcile these two perspectives on life. Best wishes to you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Steve, and thanks for your comment. You know, we Muslims are humanists too, but above all, we are theists. So while I could address a few of your opinions here, I ought to get straight to the heart of the matter and say: that is the difference between those who believe in God and the Hereafter, and those who don&#8217;t. We can never reconcile these two perspectives on life. Best wishes to you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Steve</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/about/#comment-20356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 11:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,

I got here by searching for Al-Fatiha (Muslims in support of LGBT).
I&#039;m a straight non-muslim. I was expecting to find a page which tries to reconcile homosexuality and Islam, but that doesn&#039;t appear to be the case. Rather, you say the urge of homosexuality is not abnormal, and judge those who commit homosexual acts as sinners.

From your point of view you&#039;re trying to help by giving them advice on how to keep God pleased so they can get into paradise. The individual&#039;s current well-being is - from your point of view - is inferior to his well-being after this life.

From a humanist point of view I find this very wrong. I see someone in the comments going through counseling and feels miserable. To secure his current well-being (which is priority, since after-life-well-being presupposes the muslim faith is correct and is therefore not guaranteed) I would try to convince him that he is not a sinner - this is the core of the problem. What you are doing is not helping, it&#039;s prolonging the suffering.

I say this because I empathize with people struggling between faith and sexual orientation.

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I got here by searching for Al-Fatiha (Muslims in support of LGBT).<br />
I&#8217;m a straight non-muslim. I was expecting to find a page which tries to reconcile homosexuality and Islam, but that doesn&#8217;t appear to be the case. Rather, you say the urge of homosexuality is not abnormal, and judge those who commit homosexual acts as sinners.</p>
<p>From your point of view you&#8217;re trying to help by giving them advice on how to keep God pleased so they can get into paradise. The individual&#8217;s current well-being is &#8211; from your point of view &#8211; is inferior to his well-being after this life.</p>
<p>From a humanist point of view I find this very wrong. I see someone in the comments going through counseling and feels miserable. To secure his current well-being (which is priority, since after-life-well-being presupposes the muslim faith is correct and is therefore not guaranteed) I would try to convince him that he is not a sinner &#8211; this is the core of the problem. What you are doing is not helping, it&#8217;s prolonging the suffering.</p>
<p>I say this because I empathize with people struggling between faith and sexual orientation.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>Comment on Oops by ﻣﺴﻠﻢ ﺳﻜﻴﻄﺮ (@muslim_sk8r)</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2011/06/28/oops/#comment-20328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ﻣﺴﻠﻢ ﺳﻜﻴﻄﺮ (@muslim_sk8r)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 09:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like what you said in the comment to number 5 about knowing the truth of islam and not putting desires over the truth. This not only can apply To conquering sexual desires but all other compromising desires as well. Keep up the good work on this website, challenging ignorance by spreading knowledge]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what you said in the comment to number 5 about knowing the truth of islam and not putting desires over the truth. This not only can apply To conquering sexual desires but all other compromising desires as well. Keep up the good work on this website, challenging ignorance by spreading knowledge</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/about/#comment-20320</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This blog is focused on a particular topic, and while we have our serious differences with the Ahmadis, that is not our concern here and we welcome anyone who is willing to discuss seriously.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This blog is focused on a particular topic, and while we have our serious differences with the Ahmadis, that is not our concern here and we welcome anyone who is willing to discuss seriously.</p>
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