Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately it is crystal clear that some people are unwilling and probably incapable of constructive debate.

With regards the accusation of “homophobia” -this was merely because I pointed out that homosexuality is forbidden in Islam (at the same time as opposing the persecution of homosexuals) against those such as Faisal Gazi who claim it is halal.

The “anti-semitic” epithet is probably because I pointed out that a leading newspaper owner in the UK whose paper spends much of its time demonising Muslims in the worst way is Jewish- and more to the point, has been appointed head of a major Jewish charity. This is the equivalent of Anjem Chaudhry being made head of Islamic Relief.

Abdullah Ibrahim
“One of his tricks is to accuse any one who is critical of his posts of Islamophobia, ”

Physician heal thyself indeed !

Firstly dear brother rasheed I am very greatful with the way you’ve dealt the gay agenda perverts a blow which has set them puffing away and panting with anxiety attacking frustrations. It seems like all of this activity reflects their bent consensual ignoramus which sets a precedent for them in ways of a consensus that leaves them bending away from yet another path which theyve started this time, namely the paradoxical attempt to justify a gay way from a pure and holy book that only advocates meticulously immpeccable behaviour for its readership. A far cry from the deplorably reprehensible gay way, way to gay to be upheld or supported by the Glorious Quran in any era or any place in any way, they may like to say!

P.S. your ‘Gay pride’ marches are well embarrasing and an oxymoron because every rational human knows there is absolutely no pride in
A) Actions or words which are contrary to nature
B) Transgression which Allah has punished throughout history, wheresoever and whensoever he deemed appropriate as unfit for the climate of his good earth (most notably ‘soddom and gomorrah’: pompei (wrath of vesuvius): sanfrancisco (ooh now that hurt) etc. etc. etc.
C) An identity which is based upon 1)feelings as opposed to rationale, 2)emotional frustration,
3)rebellion against oneself, allah, nature, mankind, gross sexual deviance and war against heaven (paradise)!
Gay Pride is an oxymoron as you gayists know that there is hardly anything to be proud of with your state. Hence the term ‘Gay Pride’ its like saying Cold Hell or Spicy Ice-Cream or Merciless Allah, you get the picture right!

Now ‘abdullah Ibrahim’ you don’t even live upto the alias you use as theres nothing slavelike in your attitude towards Allah and with the name ‘ibrahim’ I dare say you even deserve to be called a despised enemy of Allah let alone a best friend! As it is you along with your fellow gayist extremists who have attempted unsuccessfully to interpolate the quranic exegesis by distorting history (yet again) along with a satanic attempt to distort the meaning of certain emphatic categorical quranic verses by implanting further seeds of confusion in your already blackened hearts!

My prayer goes out to all who wish to earn paradise and defeat the Devil Iblis Shaitaan by joining forces with Allah to make Allah the winner of the ultimate competition entitled ‘The Salvation And Destruction Of Mankind: Allah Vs Iblis’ If you can rectify yourself and do away with your satanist agenda repent and turn from your ways I say may Allah grand you paradise. However if salvation is too cheap for you and if this temporary life along with its finite pleasures seem more lasting and prevailingly indestructible to you rendering you a slave of Satan’s and your desires I pray whole heartedly for you and your kinds destruction to be far worse than how Allah destroyed the hopeless transgressors of the times bygone. I rightfully invoke a far severe punishment for you people for the reason that the early sodomites and people in the past did not have a repulsive Gayist Extremist AGENDA now if you choose not to repent I fear your torment for if God does not punish you he will have to apologise to Sodom and Gomorrah for their lewdness!! Its a question of Paradise lost!! keep it real!!

In conclusion denounnce your feeble cause because its too pushy and overbearing for which reason you belie the quran and islamic scholarly consensus! If you don’t wish to denounce your agenda and perversion Denounce you a place in the eternal abode! My heart goes out to all who wish to conform to the character of a heavenly person and who want to strive to be admitted in jannah and make Allah the winner of the battle between Allah and Iblis. Reform yourself and god will love you break the devil in the back by redifining your identity. Your identity is only a state of mind! When you really get down to it your intellect as a human being is more powerful than a bodily craving of a phallus.. Join the intellectual fight for Allah’s cause, if you can that would be excellent and will go well rewarded. Well don’t just sit there do something!! God Bless

I’m hardly the only person of the 4 of us. You are using a tu-quoque argument to try and get yourself off the hook. You can certainly accuse me of ad hominem but you are also guilty of it yourself by calling Faisal an “idiot” – which really is pure ad hominem. After pointing out my ad hominem, you went ahead and indulged in it yourself and now you’re trying to suggest that you haven’t.

On PickledPolitics, the commentator Munir is a well known racist (ant-semitic), sectarian (anti-Hindu), homophobic commentator. One of his tricks is to accuse any one who is critical of his posts of Islamophobia, a tactic used increasingly to bully and intimidate other commentators into silence. He comes across as a deranged religious supremacist.

This is certainly my opinion, you’re free to call it ad hominem, but it is shared by many people who are regular commentators on there. You can certainly use this individual to back up your argument here, that’s your prerogative. But to do so, as I said, speaks volumes about your judgement and your own views.

Thus it seems to me that the only person out of the 4 of us who can be charged with argumentum ad hominem is you, Abdullah.

The fact remains, as I said above, that even if Munir were an illiterate fool or a sun-worshipper or a rubber duck, none of that would detract from the fact he refuted Faisal soundly. So unless you have something substantive to stay, please don’t waste my time.

This is a clear case of an ad hominem attack and it shows you’re willingness to use it. It also detracts and diminishes your own argument because it gives the perception that your position needs character attacks to safeguard them from scrutiny and debate.

Isn’t that glibly hypocritical after your comment about “argumentum ad hominem”? You seem perfectly comfortable with ad hominem if you agree with the person who is guilty of it.

…while Munir was in fact writing detailed comments defending his view (very mainstream) of Islam. The rudest thing I noticed was his frequent references to Faisal being an “idiot”, though I can’t fault him there factually.