Quite impressive but, at least, seven dark centuries behind and , possibly, completely deranged. The shield against such corruption is not the power of reason but the power of the sword. Otherwise nowadays no human being with an iota of dignity and self respect would readily accept this kind of crap.

“Once we rid the world of Kafirs, Infidels, Idolitists, etc, then we start on you lot, ….”

Don’t get carried away, we’re not even close to there yet!

For the time being you have to learn to reason your case to earn respect.

You may start by refraining from threatening death to all who disagree with you. You neither have the means nor the right to propose such cruelty. Muslims in the country where I originate from have grown sick of such bullying and the support for extremist groups has waned. You have to learn to use your brain. Allah created it for a good reason. If your counter-arguments are plain and sensible then you will convince everyone you talk to that your position is right and they are wrong.

Threatening violence or death just means you do not have the guts to stand up to scrutiny and your ideology is bankrupt of common sense.

Regards,
Qusai

If you want to be a muslim you must take the prophets words as the word of GOD. If you don’t, you are not following Islam, therefore are apostates, which also carries the penalty of DEATH.

You muslims that want to reinterprete the Koran and ahadiths etc are worse then infidels. Once we have followed the Koran’s teachings to rid the world of Kafirs, Infidels, Idolitists, etc, then we start on you lot, the phoney muslims that want to twist the Koran to mean what you want.

And yes, there is no crime in Islam of thinking about homosexual acts, or being attracted to the same sex. The crime is in the action, not the thought. Allah does not care if you suffer because you can’t engage in the things you want if he has forbid it. He has forbid it and that is that, end of story. Don’t argue with Allah, or question him or his prophet. They are to be obeyed, not questioned……..that is Islam.

Ali

“…..the logical conclusion is nihilism…”

Nihilism is what you get when you start to doubt if your beloved imaginary friend actually exists. Your whole world then collapses around you and you don’t know what to do with yourself. You see no other purpose in life.

Alternatively, you may want to think more like an adult and take the bull by the horn. Why not wake up to the cold fact that, it is you and you only who really determines what value there is to your life. You may wish to start a family, help the sick, advance science, enjoy and create arts…or you may want to live your life like a bastard. But then what a waste of life would that be. What would be the point of it all?

See, I don’t need to pull any metaphysical punches to prove my point . Can you?

Can you do that today? No you can’t. Will the situation change? Unlikely.

Let us worry about “ourselves in 50 years time”, 50 years later. Shall we deal with the present as it stands?

The fact of the matter is that human beings, irrespective of their superstitious tendencies, seem to agree that virtues such as generosity, loyalty, bravery…etc are commendable. There is no society on Earth in which cowardice is praised and lying is encouraged. What drives our common sense is mere experience. Any society which does not force itself to cooperate with each other would have withered and ceased to exist. No need for belief in the unbelievable.

How do we decide on where we stand on Paedophilia?
Dialectics: appeal to reason, argumentation…etc. Nowadays you’d have to convince me, as a rataional being, that violating a helpless little kid, without the concept or capacity to understand that you are abusing them for your own self gratification, is justifiable. Can you do that today? No you can’t. Will this trend continue? Unlikely. Why? We seem to have evolved our moral codes along the lines of Humanism and individual emancipation from the chains of tyranny.

What makes you anxious that this trend, as old as history itself, will change so drastically as to allow paedoophiles to prey on children?

What if you want done unto you is sadistic?

We lock you up in a psychiatric ward. The arguement ends there. Before you ask: “what constitues a psychotic derangement”, go and read any text on psychoses.

How can Atheism be fundamentalist when there is no book or dogma to appeal to? Atheism is not even a religion. It can not be fundamentalist. There are Atheist Jews. Buddhists don’t believe in a creator god. It is too narrow a description of anyone to say they’re Atheist to make you come up with any conclusions about them without knowing what they think about politics, science, art…etc

Fundamental Atheism is a complete misnomer.

What is happening nowadays is not a revival of Atheism but a move towards secular Humanism. Remember: without God we have none but each other. Through this notion we have broken the chains of indignity imposed on us by the religious “regulation” on slavery, given women more right than they’ve ever enjoyed, advanced the sciences to such an extent whereby we can cure many of nature’s nasty diseases all while the merciful supernatural agents watched as millions of us rotted in agony untill we’ve learned to pull ourselves by the bootstrap and deliver ourselves from the woes of ignorance and superstition.

Salam ‘alaykum,

“250,000 years too late, Homo Sapiens!”

It’s a bit presumptuous don’t you think Bravoo? Maybe in 50 years time people will look back at us and think what barbaric savages we were! What if in the future peadophiles are given freedom for sexual relationship between an adult and child? And it is accepted by society – does that mean we in the year 2008 were immoral or does it mean that the society in the future have corrupt morals?

Moral relativism based on whatever the current social trend is, just doesn’t sit right with me, the logical conclusion is nihilism.

“Do unto others as you’d like to be done unto. That’s the only absolute moral value that no human will contend”

What if you want done unto to you sadistic s&m? Who judges what are absolute correct moral values and why should we follow them? You might have a moral code and a man in Brazil has a completely different one, both not rooted in any religion just formed from their individual experiences in the world, neither can argue he is morally superior than the other. Rationally thinking, one man cannot and does not have moral authority over another.

In the end religious moral authority made sense to me, because the moral authority is greater than man. Not that all practitioners of a religion or religious leaders act morally, but our basis of morals should be rooted in a religion; moral authority God. Fundamentalist atheism is a modern trend, lets see how long it lasts and what effects it has on civilisation. John Gray comments: “It is a funny sort of humanism that condemns an impulse that is peculiarly human”.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Psychology-t.html?ref=science

You’re right when you mentioned the word “trust”. Unless you’re willing to accept that homosexuals are honest about their feelings there is no way forward.

That becomes a real obstacle when some among us, in a desperate attempt to appease the heterosexual mjority with their various doctrines, choose to invert their psychology than to understand it and explain it to others. I think they’ve lost their way and want others to join in the lurch.

As for homosexuality, the 90% of the human race (that is hetrosexuals) would never understand. I find it highly amussing for them to think it’s not innate and somehow people acquire it; for that only justifies their own homosexual urges from time to time that they try to get rid of. It’s the same with homosexuals, they can have hetrosexual urges but try to understand they are Homosexual by birth. No, second option exists, trust me they are who they are, the way they are. The question of them not embarking on their homosexuality and looking for life partners stands in total parallel and equal to hetrosexuals not having partners. Just think living like that. To understand something try to get a feel of what it may be like before raising and forming opinions.

If something has not been popular doesn’t mean it’s wrong.