Comments on: Hirsi Ali: The Arrogant Ignoramus

By: Taleb Haqq

Taleb Haqq — Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:12:35 +0000

Hello,
Yes, to a believer, faith is absolutely necessary. You say I should give credit to where credit is due…and believing and worshiping God, the Creator and Giver of all things, is part of acknowledging this. You, on the other hand, started out by stating that you do not believe in any of these things so, obviously, to you none of this is necessary.

Let me ask you this, if you do not wan to acknowledge God and what He has given you and all of us…where did all this come from? Where did the universe come from and where is it going? Surely nothing becomes of nothing and evidence in our every day lives shows that things need to be made in order to exist.

Let me ask you something else: Why do we have to be good then? Why can’t we all just be evil and acquire as much as possible and get rid of the weak? Would that not make more sense if there was no concept of Hell and Heaven? i might as well do as wrong as possible in order to enjoy myself as much as possible….no?

By: Aalimah

Aalimah — Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:32:14 +0000

It’s all unnecessary though. You can be a good person without the terrible terrifying horrible disgraceful inhuman torturous idea of hell. Why would you want a heaven either? Awful presumptuous of a supernatural entity that was never proved to exist to force you to choose as though you want either. I wouldn’t want either. I would want to have a short beautiful life, and my life is beautiful as an atheist. The shortness of it makes it precious. It makes it valuable. It makes it so that we need to be kind and humane to one another to keep on experiencing the good things life has to offer with each other. Think for yourself. Love yourself and your fellow person because you just DO, not because of a divine reward of fear of punishment. Appreciate everything you earn in life as products of your own work and respect yourself for your achievements and stop thrusting the praise and thanks onto some “god” thereby stripping you of all of your hard work and accomplishments as if the “god” gave you every little scrap of good this world has to offer. Have more respect for yourself and give credit where credit is evidently due. Otherwise it would be like living in North Korea. I cannot disprove religion, but I hope it isn’t true, because only immorality can be done with religion. Good comes from man and woman and rationality and empathy and a social concept, which I would argue are all innate but brought out and spread through language and our cognitive capacity as primates with a responsibility to one another, and if we do not feel this responsibility, we will not survive, nor would we have survived so long thus far. As primates, which we are proven by DNA to be, members of a primate species (identifiable via DNA), we have a responsibility to each other if we want to keep on living. This cannot happen with religion as it is inclusive exclusive on the most epic level and scale imaginable. All religions are in conflict with one another and all convict each other or at least try to of heresy.

By: Issa

Issa — Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:34:28 +0000

Though I have not met or talked with Ms. Hirsi personally, I know the man she said she was forced to marry. He was my roommate at the time of their marriage and is my childhood friend and an avid basketball player who played basketball for one of the Somalia’s well known Seria A teams. He and I grew up together and were roommates at the time of their marriage in Nairobi, Kenya. I still remember the day he left for Kenya to visit his family in Mombasa. His travel to Kenya was solely for a family visit. He had no intention of marrying Mrs. Hirsi as he did not know her at all. I guess things changed when he got to Kenya and met with friends and family who introduced him with Ms. Hisri.

I know that for a fact that Ayan is a liar because she lied about my friend and their marriage.. Ayan said that he was older than her. My friend is now 45 years old and at the time of their marriage which I believe it was 1992 he was only 27 years old. Ayan is either about his age or may be 2 or three years younger. I also know for a fact that she was never forced to marry his. I was there when Ayan used to call him collect almost every other night. So why would you call collect someone that you don’t love and you were forced to marry? Ayan was never a refugee. She lived and studied in Nairobi, Kenya. Even her older brother in Nairobi attested to that when the journalist from Netherlands went to Nairobi, Kenya. The reporter visited the schools that she attended and met with her teachers. She laid about her age, name, family, status, religion of Islam, and above all about my dear friend. I think this lady is nothing but an opportunist who will do everything for money and fame.

By: Rasheed Eldin

Rasheed Eldin — Sun, 22 Apr 2007 04:31:57 +0000

Salam Qusai – I personally do object to that, and don’t see it as being a beneficial thing in discussion. It’s fine if it’s just two personas asking questions or something, but it’s a different matter if you’re trying to get somewhere in a discussion with someone, in which case it helps to develop your mental ‘profile’ of that person to understand how best to dialogue with them.

Let me show you what “Jamal” wrote, which obviously wasn’t approved, and I think you’ll get the point:

“This site seems very barren. Not much activity going on.
Strange. What is it’s purpose?”

By: Taleb Haqq

Taleb Haqq — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:05:02 +0000

W’salam Qusai,
I wouldn’t have an issue with it except that in this particular case the person was trying to go around the fact that I was not approving his pointless messages by trying to use a different name (while posting the same kind of messages).

By: Qusai

Qusai — Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:51:31 +0000

Salams Taleb,

Thanks for raising an interesting point.

I don’t have a blog of my own but was wondering what, in principle, is wrong with logging in with different names on the same blog. Bloggers seem to be annoyed with that and I can’t think of a rational reason why the curious reaction to multi-logging. As long as new and interesting ideas are being injected to stir up discussion. That’s the whole point of blogging, isn’t it?

Take care
Salams

By: Taleb Haqq

Taleb Haqq — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:24:10 +0000

This message is for the guy who calls himself Amir, or whatever he wants to be called today (Jamal etc…)
They invented something called IP addresses so I can tell when you are posting even if you use different names
I would advise you to stop wasting your time and ours.

By: Qusai

Qusai — Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:57:03 +0000

Salam Amir,

The stats you quoted do not prove the point you are trying to make. I can flag up statistics that tell you that the Scandinavian countries, which happen to be one of the most non-religious in the world, also have the best standard of living, lowest crime rates and best literacy rates. What happens when you apply your logic to a comparison between a secular and a christian nation?

The point being that you can not judge a religion by the standard of living of the constituent population if you bear in mind that such standards vary over time and between countries for completely different reasons.

Female circumcision dates back to the Pharonic times and in my country of origin there are infact Islamic activists who use the hadith to fight this backwardly practise. It may be true that the Arabs have adopted this practise but it is surely not Islamic.

I don’t think you will find an audience who would agree we should jump ship because we happen to be poor. If we are impoverished we adopt better marketing strategies, if uneducated then we strive to improve that as well. The link with religion is quite shallow.

I am also baffled by your claim that you were freed from faith. But you have just embraced another faith with its own discipline, reward and punishment. I don’t see the logic behind that.

Salam

By: Taleb Haqq

Taleb Haqq — Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:41:14 +0000

I should let everyone know that I deleted comments that Amir wrote that a) were offensive and b) were adding nothing to the discussion.

By: Taleb Haqq

Taleb Haqq — Sun, 15 Apr 2007 21:42:47 +0000

Amir,
Please re-read your post. I don’t understand the post that you are trying to make. First you say that Muslims were at one point at the peak of civilization. And then you say the Christians became as such. At the end you say that that you and Hirsi Ali are “free”.

Please be specific when you are criticizing, are you criticizing Islam or Muslims. Islam is perfect, Muslims are not. Muslims, like any other people, have difficulties and make mistakes…like any other peoples.

Hirsi Ali is criticizing Islam itself, she has no knowledge of the subject yet speaks as though she is a scholar therein, this is why I called her Ignorant. All Muslims believe in Heaven and Hell, she says there is no such thing as Hell. That is why I called her Arrogant because she is arrogant against her Lord and Creator. This is my belief and I am presenting it as such.

You can state all the “facts” that you want but they seem useless when there is no point for them to support.

Praying for guidance to us all.