at the end of the day, us humans going thru any struggle wud beg 4 100x mor hardship in this dunya wen we get 2 our final destination.

oh the torment, pain, anguish and misery is like nothing we have evr experienced b4!

i think we all need 2 remeber that no matter what we struggle with, whether it be alcoholism, gambling, adultery, pedophilia, SSA, i pray 2 allah swt that the brothers and sisters who struggle wit all these issues, that allah azzawajal eases ur pain n suffering n brings u 2 peace!
ya rabb:’( make us amogst the inhabitants of jannat-ul-firdaus!
ameen :’(

people of lut got punished because of several crimes not just homosextuality … Moreover this prediction was made in the time of muhammed not in the time of lut thus my answer will be NO people of lut were not part of this pridiction

why do people who lie donot get punished? … u didnt answer that

As for point that you are part of Islam’s “predictions”…my answer is: Oh my God! What are you talking about? a) where the people of Lut part of this prediction as well? b) how many gay people will agree with your argument that they are “acting like women”?

all i am trying to say why would a diseases get punished? would a mad man (whos brain doesnot work) get punished for stealing? or breaking into someone’s house? Islam is based entirely on logic and everything in islam makes sense and from what i understand of it … Allah could never punish someone for getting sick or someone who is trying to find a way to calm his pain … Sure there is an indirect refrence to homosextuality in the quran but how many times does quran say not to lie and yet muslims who lie never get punished? Nor does shariya has a punishment for them? why does something that is forbidden in the quran and is mentioned several times but never gets punished but something that is only mentioned indirectly get so harsh punishment? … Do you truely believe that islam can make a law that is so harsh and unfair that allah would order his people to punish something that doesnot have a complete cure?

Even if SSA was wrong wouldnt it be better for muslims to leave this judgement for allah? just like the people who lie? If homosextual act is to be punished then isnt it only fair that people who lie get a punishment also?

Islam is a true religion! And one of the warning for the coming of the day of judgment is that men will start to act like women and women will start to act like men…. You cannot stop men from acting like women because that is what islam said will happen and it will happen no matter what. If you try to stop men from acting like women then that means that you are trying to stop this prediction of islam from coming ture thus trying to prove islam to be wrong.

Gay people prove this prediction of islam to be true! Without them this prediction would become false.

My existance and My SSA issures prove islam to be a true religion. If you start to stop me or other people who have SSA from acting upon thier feelings then it is as if you are trying to stop something that proves islam to be true. And i am sure you dont want that.

And same goes for other predictions: tall buildings/hair like camel’s back etc etc

Islam is not like christianity … Islam is for people who think and donot just follow blindly. If allah is the king of the universe then we (humans) are the wazirs we must think about what allah has done and try to understand it. And the worse thing you can do as a muslim is follow a clergy-man blindly.

It’s not a case of keeping any secrets, just that on this blog I’m not concentrating on giving advice on overcoming homosexual feelings, so I generally give only pointers in this regard. Not only does the subject deserve more in-depth treatment, but its presentation and details would vary according to the needs of every individual, and it’s more beneficial for somebody on this path of struggle to engage in conversation with people who have knowledge and experience of all the issues involved. That’s the idea of the support group.

Yes I did read what the brother mentioned, and I would just point out the following: getting married can be part of the solution, or more generally is a stage undertaken once a person is ready (after gaining a significant level of control of desires). But it’s not a magic wand, and in some cases would be simply the wrong idea and could result in unhappiness for both partners.

As for praying and following the Sunnah, these are of course essential to what we understand of the solution, but it’s possible for someone to observe outward things and not see results inwardly, as true change comes from within – and this requires building a relationship with Allah, as well as being patient on the path.

And that’s not to mention the importance of addressing the specific issues affecting each person, the causes of his SSA. In many cases, this will require counselling or psychological help.

Finally, as for your question about what should be done about someone who cannot be “cured” – remember that judgement should never be passed on someone for their internal feelings, so as long as they are not guilty of any actual crimes, the matter is entirely between them and their Lord. But it’s not acceptable for someone to say: “I tried to cure myself but couldn’t, so now I can do what I like.” Accountability remains the same regardless.

Did you not read that correctly? Ashraf said: he tried everything marrying a women, praying 5 times etc. etc. but his illness is still not “cured” what other advice can your “straightstruggle” give? Why keep it a secret? … What are your “steps to gain control over desires”? And how are they different from what Ashraf did?

In a muslims country what can you do if somone cannot be cured even after many honest tries? … kill him? jail? I would like to know your opinion on this.

thanx

I don’t know what to say to you right now except that so long as you stay faithful to your wife your rewards are being multiplied for your faithfulness to Allah, Who rewards without measure.

There are steps that we can take to gain control over our desires, rein them in, redirect them, but never to extinguish them entirely – as that’s not what is expected of us as humans and Muslims.

Perhaps you could join the StraightWay support group if you haven’t already, as the sharing of ideas and experiences is beneficial for many people in situations very like yours:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/straightstruggle

1. I remain unconvinced that one follows from the other, so feel free to embellish your argument just a little.
2. Even granting the truth of your conclusion, even then, why should we care? Moral truths are not judged by (temporary) societal trends.

And Bravo, I wonder what you think of the fact that I saw a book of Abu Nuwas’s poetry in a bookshop (in the Middle East) yesterday? Does it prove that people in this country accept male-male relationships? Or that the bookshop owners are gay??

Really, I don’t see the debate here as being about “who’s right, straights or gays” – in the first place, we prefer not to label people but rather to talk about what actions (as well as beliefs, attitudes, lifestyles) are sound and right in the sight of God, according to how we understand His revelations.

As for the matter of punishment for homosexual acts, I really don’t see that as the central issue for discussion either. As we emphasise here so often, punishments are not to be applied except in their full context (Islamic state, due process…), and they are a matter of difference of opinion in Islamic law. That means that a judge would have scope to choose what to do if faced with a case of sodomy brought before his court. As Sheikh Qaradawi has pointed out, the judge would also look to the widespread nature of the problem and opt for a less harsh course of action.
http://gaymuslims.org/2006/06/30/memri-qaradawi-the-main-point/

Your suggestion is not like anything I’ve heard before! But quite simply, the issue of prisoners of war is not comparable to criminals in general. Rather than try to explain the difference, I’ll just ask whether you have any example of Muslim criminals who were allowed to continue their crimes in exchange for education or the like. Good luck!