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	<title>Comments on: Debate: &#8220;Islamic gay marriage&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: yusuph</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/12/10/debate-islamic-gay-marriage/#comment-15300</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[gays is  not allowed to be practiced in Islamic arena.if you are a victim try your level best to stop and forget it by staying with udhu every time and perform daily swalats]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gays is  not allowed to be practiced in Islamic arena.if you are a victim try your level best to stop and forget it by staying with udhu every time and perform daily swalats</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/12/10/debate-islamic-gay-marriage/#comment-14899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, we get comments like yours from time to time, inviting people to simply abandon Islam and religion in general. I know that must be popular among homosexualist movements, but our perspective is totally different. There are some groups which are trying to say &quot;Don&#039;t worry, we can change religion to get what we want.&quot; We disagree with them too.

I don&#039;t think there is any gap in my use of reason, but you seem to be confusing reason with materialism, which in my opinion is not at all a reasonable position. In any case, that debate is best had at any general Islamic/religious forum and not in a specific discussion on Islam and sexuality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, we get comments like yours from time to time, inviting people to simply abandon Islam and religion in general. I know that must be popular among homosexualist movements, but our perspective is totally different. There are some groups which are trying to say &#8220;Don&#8217;t worry, we can change religion to get what we want.&#8221; We disagree with them too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any gap in my use of reason, but you seem to be confusing reason with materialism, which in my opinion is not at all a reasonable position. In any case, that debate is best had at any general Islamic/religious forum and not in a specific discussion on Islam and sexuality.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 03:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

If people and all religions used reason, we would NOT have such problems.  It seems religions are often unloving and even cruel.   So many in society make gays and lesbian miserable (in the name of religion or Allah or Jesus or whomever).  The incidence of suicide among gay and lesbian teens is 2 to 3 times as high compared to straight people.  
Is your God really loving?  Use some reason please.  If he is loving then you should look at your interpretations.  
Religion often serves to throw reason out the window!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”</p>
<p>If people and all religions used reason, we would NOT have such problems.  It seems religions are often unloving and even cruel.   So many in society make gays and lesbian miserable (in the name of religion or Allah or Jesus or whomever).  The incidence of suicide among gay and lesbian teens is 2 to 3 times as high compared to straight people.<br />
Is your God really loving?  Use some reason please.  If he is loving then you should look at your interpretations.<br />
Religion often serves to throw reason out the window!</p>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217; comment on Eastenders &#171; Eye on &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217; comment on Eastenders &#171; Eye on &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to adultery in the sense that it is sexual activity outside of marriage. There is no notion of &#8216;gay marriage&#8217; in Islam. Farzana Fiaz, 37 Journalist Eventually I saw a meeting advertised in the Pink Paper [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to adultery in the sense that it is sexual activity outside of marriage. There is no notion of &#8216;gay marriage&#8217; in Islam. Farzana Fiaz, 37 Journalist Eventually I saw a meeting advertised in the Pink Paper [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/12/10/debate-islamic-gay-marriage/#comment-14745</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not saying that with any certainty, as all I was expressing is a personal opinion. I don&#039;t believe in speculating on details of the reward of Paradise, since what is known for sure is what I&#039;ve repeatedly stated above.

If you are someone who is struggling with homosexual desires and want to keep in your mind that Allah will give you such-and-such reward for your patience in this life, I say go ahead and imagine that, and Allah will either give you exactly that or something with which you will be much more pleased than you ever imagined!

As for the idea that everyone will receive exactly the same rewards and be like &quot;Automatons&quot;, that is not the case and I don&#039;t see any evidence for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not saying that with any certainty, as all I was expressing is a personal opinion. I don&#8217;t believe in speculating on details of the reward of Paradise, since what is known for sure is what I&#8217;ve repeatedly stated above.</p>
<p>If you are someone who is struggling with homosexual desires and want to keep in your mind that Allah will give you such-and-such reward for your patience in this life, I say go ahead and imagine that, and Allah will either give you exactly that or something with which you will be much more pleased than you ever imagined!</p>
<p>As for the idea that everyone will receive exactly the same rewards and be like &#8220;Automatons&#8221;, that is not the case and I don&#8217;t see any evidence for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 21:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what you are saying is that the forbidden objects of this world will no longer be forbidden in paradise? Forbidden acts on the other hand however will remain forbidden? That&#039;s what I understand from what you&#039;re saying. 

Anyway, wouldn&#039;t Allah, who is almighty, be able to give the people of paradise anything they want and make it for them so it wasn&#039;t harmful or &#039;filthy&#039; anymore? 

From what I&#039;ve read about paradise it seems as though all people will have the same kinds of rewards (of course I understand those who are more &#039;righteous&#039; will have a few more rewards) almost like they&#039;ll all become the same. I find the thought of becoming an Automoton as frightening as burning for an eternity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what you are saying is that the forbidden objects of this world will no longer be forbidden in paradise? Forbidden acts on the other hand however will remain forbidden? That&#8217;s what I understand from what you&#8217;re saying. </p>
<p>Anyway, wouldn&#8217;t Allah, who is almighty, be able to give the people of paradise anything they want and make it for them so it wasn&#8217;t harmful or &#8216;filthy&#8217; anymore? </p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read about paradise it seems as though all people will have the same kinds of rewards (of course I understand those who are more &#8216;righteous&#8217; will have a few more rewards) almost like they&#8217;ll all become the same. I find the thought of becoming an Automoton as frightening as burning for an eternity.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 17:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Joseph, although the question does remain as to the grading of this hadith in terms of authenticity.

I see a difference between homosexuality on one hand, and wine/gold/silk on the other. The harm in wine is the intoxication, and the wine in Paradise is not intoxicating. Gold and silk are not filthy, as they are permitted to women in this world. Compare these facts with the way in which homosexual acts are condemned in the Qur&#039;an and Sunnah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joseph, although the question does remain as to the grading of this hadith in terms of authenticity.</p>
<p>I see a difference between homosexuality on one hand, and wine/gold/silk on the other. The harm in wine is the intoxication, and the wine in Paradise is not intoxicating. Gold and silk are not filthy, as they are permitted to women in this world. Compare these facts with the way in which homosexual acts are condemned in the Qur&#8217;an and Sunnah.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This might answer your question about the number 72. 

&quot;I take the oath of that Being who sent me with the truth; you are not more acquainted with your wives and houses than the people of Jannat. A person of Jannat will come to 72 wives whom Allah specially created in Jannat (hûrs) and 2 human wives. The human wives will have virtue over the [hûrs] because they worshipped Allah in the world&quot; (Targheeb Vol.4 Pg.534) 

Just a thought but wine is forbidden in this life as is the wearing of gold and silk for men but it will be permitted to those in paradise, by your logic surely people wouldn&#039;t want these things upon entering paradise either!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might answer your question about the number 72. </p>
<p>&#8220;I take the oath of that Being who sent me with the truth; you are not more acquainted with your wives and houses than the people of Jannat. A person of Jannat will come to 72 wives whom Allah specially created in Jannat (hûrs) and 2 human wives. The human wives will have virtue over the [hûrs] because they worshipped Allah in the world&#8221; (Targheeb Vol.4 Pg.534) </p>
<p>Just a thought but wine is forbidden in this life as is the wearing of gold and silk for men but it will be permitted to those in paradise, by your logic surely people wouldn&#8217;t want these things upon entering paradise either!</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Layla,
Wa &#039;alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh.

That&#039;s an interesting comment, but I will politely disagree with the idea that our goal is to &quot;kill&quot; the physical desires. Rather, our Prophet (pbuh) taught us to restrain and guide them to what is halal, and thus experience divinely gifted joys in this life, a vanishing fraction of what is promised in the Hereafter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Layla,<br />
Wa &#8216;alaikum as-salam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuh.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting comment, but I will politely disagree with the idea that our goal is to &#8220;kill&#8221; the physical desires. Rather, our Prophet (pbuh) taught us to restrain and guide them to what is halal, and thus experience divinely gifted joys in this life, a vanishing fraction of what is promised in the Hereafter.</p>
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		<title>By: luvlilayla</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/12/10/debate-islamic-gay-marriage/#comment-14557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[luvlilayla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salaam alaikum ramatullah wa barakatuhu all,

I would like that everyone look at their nafs.  A, If it (love, desire) comes from Nafess, stomach.  It is just like a gas. It smell very bad. It makes us uncomfortable. It takes away all good experiences. One gets in a bad mood and one must go to toilet. (gay relations, lustful relations, etc.)
B, If it (love,desire) comes from Aqhel, brain.  It is mostly from shytan. It is very selfish feeling.  It sees only it self and self interest. One must be slap on the face to weak up.
C, If it (love, desire) comes from Qhalb, heart, it is spiritual.  All it&#039;s feelings are from Allah (swt). A sense of gratefulness, appreciation, patience and submission.

Clearly, we all live with a strong connection to our ego (conscious life) and many of our desires come from there and our brains which is the breeding ground of the shaytan.
If we are allowed into heaven it will only be our rouhee (spirit, qhalbi) and not our ego and brain which is just physical and chemical, electrical.

the purpose of this life is not to follow our physical desires but to kill them so that our spirit (rouhee) can be realized in this life.
may Allah help us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salaam alaikum ramatullah wa barakatuhu all,</p>
<p>I would like that everyone look at their nafs.  A, If it (love, desire) comes from Nafess, stomach.  It is just like a gas. It smell very bad. It makes us uncomfortable. It takes away all good experiences. One gets in a bad mood and one must go to toilet. (gay relations, lustful relations, etc.)<br />
B, If it (love,desire) comes from Aqhel, brain.  It is mostly from shytan. It is very selfish feeling.  It sees only it self and self interest. One must be slap on the face to weak up.<br />
C, If it (love, desire) comes from Qhalb, heart, it is spiritual.  All it&#8217;s feelings are from Allah (swt). A sense of gratefulness, appreciation, patience and submission.</p>
<p>Clearly, we all live with a strong connection to our ego (conscious life) and many of our desires come from there and our brains which is the breeding ground of the shaytan.<br />
If we are allowed into heaven it will only be our rouhee (spirit, qhalbi) and not our ego and brain which is just physical and chemical, electrical.</p>
<p>the purpose of this life is not to follow our physical desires but to kill them so that our spirit (rouhee) can be realized in this life.<br />
may Allah help us all.</p>
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