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		<title>By: Obsessive Scottish Muslim? &#171; Eye on &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-14693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obsessive Scottish Muslim? &#171; Eye on &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at Glasgow University who desperately wishes he could be as celebrated a Muslim progressive as his idols like Reza Aslan. Trouble is, he&#8217;s just not as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Glasgow University who desperately wishes he could be as celebrated a Muslim progressive as his idols like Reza Aslan. Trouble is, he&#8217;s just not as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-5593</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Irshad Manji on &quot;Faith Without Fear&quot;, said:

&quot;I&#039;ve long felt that walking away from the faith would be running away... Notice that I use the word &#039;faith&#039;: I try not to use the word &#039;religion&#039; - I&#039;m not that interested in organised ritual. I&#039;m interested in the notions of faith...&quot;

Maybe when you have that great &quot;conversation with God&quot; you&#039;re deluded to look forward to on That Day, you can ask Him why He insists on using the word &quot;Deen&quot; all the time and giving us all these &quot;rituals&quot;.

Idiot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irshad Manji on &#8220;Faith Without Fear&#8221;, said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ve long felt that walking away from the faith would be running away&#8230; Notice that I use the word &#8216;faith&#8217;: I try not to use the word &#8216;religion&#8217; &#8211; I&#8217;m not that interested in organised ritual. I&#8217;m interested in the notions of faith&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe when you have that great &#8220;conversation with God&#8221; you&#8217;re deluded to look forward to on That Day, you can ask Him why He insists on using the word &#8220;Deen&#8221; all the time and giving us all these &#8220;rituals&#8221;.</p>
<p>Idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-4237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll happily give credit where it&#039;s due. He&#039;s very articulate and gives an attractive face for Islam. But when he declares that &quot;Islam is what you consider it to be,&quot; this is more than a minor fault with his methodology. It just means that Islam has no definition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll happily give credit where it&#8217;s due. He&#8217;s very articulate and gives an attractive face for Islam. But when he declares that &#8220;Islam is what you consider it to be,&#8221; this is more than a minor fault with his methodology. It just means that Islam has no definition.</p>
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		<title>By: vinelectric</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-4232</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vinelectric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[haven&#039;t read reza&#039;s book but saw him debate sam harris (famous-atheist-ultraislamophobe) on C-Span. Reza so eloquently pulled the atheist&#039;s arguments to pieces, in brutal defense of Islam. give the man a bit of credit. his skewed history is probably becuz of his shiite roots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haven&#8217;t read reza&#8217;s book but saw him debate sam harris (famous-atheist-ultraislamophobe) on C-Span. Reza so eloquently pulled the atheist&#8217;s arguments to pieces, in brutal defense of Islam. give the man a bit of credit. his skewed history is probably becuz of his shiite roots.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-4229</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having recently taken a quick look at Aslan&#039;s book, the problems are clear. I looked mainly at his interpretation of the early Caliphate, which was full of fantasies, and oddly skewed in &quot;favour&quot; of Sayyidna &#039;Ali (r.a.)! Aslan&#039;s narrative is full of insinuations about what Abu Bakr (r.a.), &#039;Umar (r.a.) and &#039;Uthman (r.a.) wanted, meant, intended, thought... but it bears no relation to history except as dreamt up by malicious orientalists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having recently taken a quick look at Aslan&#8217;s book, the problems are clear. I looked mainly at his interpretation of the early Caliphate, which was full of fantasies, and oddly skewed in &#8220;favour&#8221; of Sayyidna &#8216;Ali (r.a.)! Aslan&#8217;s narrative is full of insinuations about what Abu Bakr (r.a.), &#8216;Umar (r.a.) and &#8216;Uthman (r.a.) wanted, meant, intended, thought&#8230; but it bears no relation to history except as dreamt up by malicious orientalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-2732</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 00:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Discredited attention-seeking proggie Asra Nomani wrote a charming feature on Reza Aslan, from which I want you to consider one excerpt:

&quot;After high school, Aslan set off for a degree in religion from Santa Clara University, a Jesuit-run school, where he spent Sunday evenings at church services. In class, he learned how to do textual analysis on theological writings to study religion. It was an area in which Christians had a modern-day head start on Muslims, and learning to master it was going to serve Aslan well. [...]
&quot;Aslan earned a master’s degree in theological studies at Harvard and then a master of fine arts in fiction at the University of Iowa—unusual credentials for a scholar of Islam, but valuable assets in today’s war of ideas in the Muslim world.&quot;
http://asranomani.com/writings/archives/2005/12/post.php

Not just &quot;unusual credentials&quot;, not that there&#039;s anything wrong with having a broad education to inform Islamic scholarship. The problem is that they are insufficient credentials to begin reinterpreting Islam. If anything, they are proof of the problem.

Islamic scholars developed sophisticated sciences of interpretation (tafseer) from the earliest days of the Qur&#039;an, and these precede biblical hermeneutics by many centuries. No way do Christians have a &quot;head start&quot;. The Muslim exegetes analysed every word and inflection, and discussed the challenges posed by the Qur&#039;anic discourse.

I wonder how the Jesuit methodology has skewed Aslan&#039;s approach to Qur&#039;anic interpretation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discredited attention-seeking proggie Asra Nomani wrote a charming feature on Reza Aslan, from which I want you to consider one excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8220;After high school, Aslan set off for a degree in religion from Santa Clara University, a Jesuit-run school, where he spent Sunday evenings at church services. In class, he learned how to do textual analysis on theological writings to study religion. It was an area in which Christians had a modern-day head start on Muslims, and learning to master it was going to serve Aslan well. [...]<br />
&#8220;Aslan earned a master’s degree in theological studies at Harvard and then a master of fine arts in fiction at the University of Iowa—unusual credentials for a scholar of Islam, but valuable assets in today’s war of ideas in the Muslim world.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://asranomani.com/writings/archives/2005/12/post.php" rel="nofollow">http://asranomani.com/writings/archives/2005/12/post.php</a></p>
<p>Not just &#8220;unusual credentials&#8221;, not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with having a broad education to inform Islamic scholarship. The problem is that they are insufficient credentials to begin reinterpreting Islam. If anything, they are proof of the problem.</p>
<p>Islamic scholars developed sophisticated sciences of interpretation (tafseer) from the earliest days of the Qur&#8217;an, and these precede biblical hermeneutics by many centuries. No way do Christians have a &#8220;head start&#8221;. The Muslim exegetes analysed every word and inflection, and discussed the challenges posed by the Qur&#8217;anic discourse.</p>
<p>I wonder how the Jesuit methodology has skewed Aslan&#8217;s approach to Qur&#8217;anic interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-1613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 03:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Article with fairly in-depth criticism of Hirsi&#039;s and Manji&#039;s books:

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060619/lalami]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article with fairly in-depth criticism of Hirsi&#8217;s and Manji&#8217;s books:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060619/lalami" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060619/lalami</a></p>
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		<title>By: Taleb Haqq</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-1012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taleb Haqq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sonia: PMUNA...you suppose right!  You are quite observant I see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia: PMUNA&#8230;you suppose right!  You are quite observant I see.</p>
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		<title>By: Taleb Haqq</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-1011</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taleb Haqq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sonia: You will also be asked on the day of Reckoning how you twisted religious texts and ignored parts of it in order to make it conform to your lifestyle.  As well, you will be asked on how you treated Islamic scholarship, I don&#039;t know what &quot;doctrine&quot; you are talking about.  If people did not need to learn we would no have received texts and Prophets in order to teach us.  God ORDERS us to ask people who know more than we do in order to learn from them.  OF course i&#039;m not saying &quot;blindly follow&quot; but also do not blindly steer away from hundreds of years of scholarship.  Do not belittle the greatest scholars of this religion by calling their work &quot;doctrine&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia: You will also be asked on the day of Reckoning how you twisted religious texts and ignored parts of it in order to make it conform to your lifestyle.  As well, you will be asked on how you treated Islamic scholarship, I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;doctrine&#8221; you are talking about.  If people did not need to learn we would no have received texts and Prophets in order to teach us.  God ORDERS us to ask people who know more than we do in order to learn from them.  OF course i&#8217;m not saying &#8220;blindly follow&#8221; but also do not blindly steer away from hundreds of years of scholarship.  Do not belittle the greatest scholars of this religion by calling their work &#8220;doctrine&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Yousef</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/09/10/whitaker-on-native-misinformants/#comment-1007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yousef]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sonia: Do you know the people that run this site to make such a comment? Have you read the posts on this blog?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia: Do you know the people that run this site to make such a comment? Have you read the posts on this blog?</p>
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