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	<title>Comments on: Abdal Hakim Murad: homophilia vs. family</title>
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		<title>By: brravooo!</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/08/23/abdal-hakim-murad-homophilia-vs-family/#comment-11525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brravooo!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK I get the message, my comments didn&#039;t go down well.

I hope that at least you&#039;re aware that there are people out there who are fed up with the nonsensical claptrap that some of our mainstream so-called scholars get away with. It is a shame that there are a few intellectually honest thinkers on the Islamic media that bother to make sense when dealing with present day issues like homosexuality. 

With the availability of the internet as a non-sensored medium, free forums will eventually raise the consciousness of the common man into realising that a lot of what we&#039;re used to hearing is vacuous and pure nonesense.

If this blog is unable to live up to the moral honesty of allowing people to voice their opinion without censorship then any claims that the site is &#039;prinicpled and compassionate&#039; falls flat on its nose. It is an irony that one requires a degree of concealment and dishonesty to serve a moral relgious cause. I demand you reveal all censored comments unless you&#039;re being deliberately dishonest to your audience]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I get the message, my comments didn&#8217;t go down well.</p>
<p>I hope that at least you&#8217;re aware that there are people out there who are fed up with the nonsensical claptrap that some of our mainstream so-called scholars get away with. It is a shame that there are a few intellectually honest thinkers on the Islamic media that bother to make sense when dealing with present day issues like homosexuality. </p>
<p>With the availability of the internet as a non-sensored medium, free forums will eventually raise the consciousness of the common man into realising that a lot of what we&#8217;re used to hearing is vacuous and pure nonesense.</p>
<p>If this blog is unable to live up to the moral honesty of allowing people to voice their opinion without censorship then any claims that the site is &#8216;prinicpled and compassionate&#8217; falls flat on its nose. It is an irony that one requires a degree of concealment and dishonesty to serve a moral relgious cause. I demand you reveal all censored comments unless you&#8217;re being deliberately dishonest to your audience</p>
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		<title>By: brravooo!</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/08/23/abdal-hakim-murad-homophilia-vs-family/#comment-11373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brravooo!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article gets more irritating the more I look at it but last two comments:

&quot;many human tendencies, including forms of criminal behaviour, are also on occasion traceable to genetic disorders; and yet nobody would conclude that the behaviour was therefore legitimate.&quot;

If I had my way then equivocation would be a crime, especially this slap on the face of commons sense: can you not see a difference between violent behaviour and harmless physical contact? What if both are genetically determined or celestially determined or whatever. These are completely different categories of human behaviour and their consequences are totally different.

&quot;The notion that we are here on earth in order to purify our souls and experience the incomparable bliss of the divine presence is utterly alien to most of our compatriots.&quot;

I think it&#039;s because it just doesn&#039;t make sense. Purify the sould from what? Sins? No no no these come after you live on earth, we don&#039;t believe in  original sin. You don&#039;t come to earth to purify your soul. You come here with a clean and pure heart. You purify your soul for other subsequential reasons.

Expeience the bliss of the divine? On earth? Yes, if you&#039;re a sufi mystical nutcase. Or if you&#039;re a prophet, which we know you aren&#039;t. 
We&#039;d be much better if we experience the bliss of reason and intellect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article gets more irritating the more I look at it but last two comments:</p>
<p>&#8220;many human tendencies, including forms of criminal behaviour, are also on occasion traceable to genetic disorders; and yet nobody would conclude that the behaviour was therefore legitimate.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I had my way then equivocation would be a crime, especially this slap on the face of commons sense: can you not see a difference between violent behaviour and harmless physical contact? What if both are genetically determined or celestially determined or whatever. These are completely different categories of human behaviour and their consequences are totally different.</p>
<p>&#8220;The notion that we are here on earth in order to purify our souls and experience the incomparable bliss of the divine presence is utterly alien to most of our compatriots.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s because it just doesn&#8217;t make sense. Purify the sould from what? Sins? No no no these come after you live on earth, we don&#8217;t believe in  original sin. You don&#8217;t come to earth to purify your soul. You come here with a clean and pure heart. You purify your soul for other subsequential reasons.</p>
<p>Expeience the bliss of the divine? On earth? Yes, if you&#8217;re a sufi mystical nutcase. Or if you&#8217;re a prophet, which we know you aren&#8217;t.<br />
We&#8217;d be much better if we experience the bliss of reason and intellect.</p>
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		<title>By: brravooo!</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/08/23/abdal-hakim-murad-homophilia-vs-family/#comment-11365</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brravooo!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 03:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Wilfred Thesiger records that in the course of his long wanderings with the Arabian bedouins he never encountered the slightest indication of the practice.

Is that evidence? Anecdotes? Evidence is through anonymous surveys.

2. the “dyadic” nature of creation.

Quantitatively speaking, the predominant organisms alive today (bacteria, protozoa, viruses) reproduce asexually. I know what the writer is getting at but if creation bears the marks of a creator then the conclusion would be that male/female roles is among a multitude of designs that the creator saw fit for reproduction.

3. Homosexualism represents a radical challenge to the institution of marriage.

What? Homosexuality is not an infection. It cannot be a danger to anyone except the affected person living in an intolerant society. If you happen to be one of the 97% of the population who are heterosexual then noone will persuade you from not getting married and lure you towards homosexuality. 

4. None of this is of interest to the secular mind, of course, which detects no meaning in existence and hence cannot imagine why maximum pleasure and gratification should not be the goal of human life

Life does not owe us meaning. The seriousness or indeed the importance of failing to ascribe meaning to life is an aritifical releigious invention. Just like the saying: who created the universe? One should take a step back and ask, but hang on was the universe created to begin with? what evidence is there that it was created?

Same argument can be used here: what is the meaning of life assumes that life has a specific meaning and thus the question is fallacious and nonesensical.  My life is meaningful in several ways especially to my friends and family. These are people that I can interact with and that lets me know how important I am to them. Apart from that you can invent many meanings to life as you want but there will be no evidence whatsoever that you&#039;re right]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Wilfred Thesiger records that in the course of his long wanderings with the Arabian bedouins he never encountered the slightest indication of the practice.</p>
<p>Is that evidence? Anecdotes? Evidence is through anonymous surveys.</p>
<p>2. the “dyadic” nature of creation.</p>
<p>Quantitatively speaking, the predominant organisms alive today (bacteria, protozoa, viruses) reproduce asexually. I know what the writer is getting at but if creation bears the marks of a creator then the conclusion would be that male/female roles is among a multitude of designs that the creator saw fit for reproduction.</p>
<p>3. Homosexualism represents a radical challenge to the institution of marriage.</p>
<p>What? Homosexuality is not an infection. It cannot be a danger to anyone except the affected person living in an intolerant society. If you happen to be one of the 97% of the population who are heterosexual then noone will persuade you from not getting married and lure you towards homosexuality. </p>
<p>4. None of this is of interest to the secular mind, of course, which detects no meaning in existence and hence cannot imagine why maximum pleasure and gratification should not be the goal of human life</p>
<p>Life does not owe us meaning. The seriousness or indeed the importance of failing to ascribe meaning to life is an aritifical releigious invention. Just like the saying: who created the universe? One should take a step back and ask, but hang on was the universe created to begin with? what evidence is there that it was created?</p>
<p>Same argument can be used here: what is the meaning of life assumes that life has a specific meaning and thus the question is fallacious and nonesensical.  My life is meaningful in several ways especially to my friends and family. These are people that I can interact with and that lets me know how important I am to them. Apart from that you can invent many meanings to life as you want but there will be no evidence whatsoever that you&#8217;re right</p>
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