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		<title>By: &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217; comment on Eastenders &#171; Eye on &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-14760</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] posted written and pictorial evidence back then that he was in fact fully &#8220;out and proud&#8221; (his words), and now he is the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Charlie Crew</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-13295</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlie Crew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish to comment on the debate regarding the result of FOSIS behaviour, combined with Councillor Pav Akhtar and the outrageous comments delivered by such people who follow one goal and that goal to suffice every body and every thing.  Mr Akhtar stood his post at the NUS(Yes, i was present as a candidate!)  regardless of my postion i was influenced by Mr Akhtar&#039;s morals and guidance in achieving happiness and fairness!  I wish to plead from all corners of Britains Society..PLEASE!...PLEASE..move on with no hostility!...move on with faith...Move on with Fairness...Move on with your achievments!...and most of all MOVIN flamin on wioth what you believe BUT at the same time respect and UNDERSTAND the people in this country who are working their arses of to provide happiness and strong joints in not just within the UK..but the Entire World. Thankyou, I look forward to some positive comments soon..and sujjestions how we can continue to achieve as Mr Councillor Pav Akhtar is. Thanks]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to comment on the debate regarding the result of FOSIS behaviour, combined with Councillor Pav Akhtar and the outrageous comments delivered by such people who follow one goal and that goal to suffice every body and every thing.  Mr Akhtar stood his post at the NUS(Yes, i was present as a candidate!)  regardless of my postion i was influenced by Mr Akhtar&#8217;s morals and guidance in achieving happiness and fairness!  I wish to plead from all corners of Britains Society..PLEASE!&#8230;PLEASE..move on with no hostility!&#8230;move on with faith&#8230;Move on with Fairness&#8230;Move on with your achievments!&#8230;and most of all MOVIN flamin on wioth what you believe BUT at the same time respect and UNDERSTAND the people in this country who are working their arses of to provide happiness and strong joints in not just within the UK..but the Entire World. Thankyou, I look forward to some positive comments soon..and sujjestions how we can continue to achieve as Mr Councillor Pav Akhtar is. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Qusai</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-9446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qusai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw the parade last year in London.  There were a lot of dignified formations from a range of professional groups e.g policemen, engineers as well as Christians, Jews, Muslims and other ordinary human beings.

Nevertheless a good proportion of the shows were deliberately provocative. However they struck me as satirical and quite depressive. I may have felt furious as a younger man but now I feel as much sympathy for myself as for the flamboyant feeble mortals.

That maybe because, despite my efforts to conform to religious code, I never quite understood what drives the raging excitement and livid furiousness against homosexuality.

But of course you can&#039;t spend a lifetime chasing your tail over answering every single question that crosses your mind. I hate to play Pascal&#039;s wager but sometimes it seems to be the safest way out of some of such intellectual &#039;deathtraps&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the parade last year in London.  There were a lot of dignified formations from a range of professional groups e.g policemen, engineers as well as Christians, Jews, Muslims and other ordinary human beings.</p>
<p>Nevertheless a good proportion of the shows were deliberately provocative. However they struck me as satirical and quite depressive. I may have felt furious as a younger man but now I feel as much sympathy for myself as for the flamboyant feeble mortals.</p>
<p>That maybe because, despite my efforts to conform to religious code, I never quite understood what drives the raging excitement and livid furiousness against homosexuality.</p>
<p>But of course you can&#8217;t spend a lifetime chasing your tail over answering every single question that crosses your mind. I hate to play Pascal&#8217;s wager but sometimes it seems to be the safest way out of some of such intellectual &#8216;deathtraps&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Yousef</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-9290</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybel:
First: You say you never saw those half naked men...then you say you did...

Second: You do not even know me yet you feel the need to call me an idiot, is this the tolerance that you are preaching?

Third: At what time during the dancing and showing off of their bodies during this parade were they opposing the &quot;anti-gay&quot; laws you speak of?

Fourth:  You seem to be an expert on nothing else but digression on ranting.  I will speak out against evil every chance that I get, this is my duty as a Muslim...so you will have to excuse me if I don&#039;t &quot;shut the heck up&quot;.  The rest of your comments are nothing more than garbage and senseless words (stomping etc...)  Please do comment when you have something of substance to say.  Until then, happy ranting!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybel:<br />
First: You say you never saw those half naked men&#8230;then you say you did&#8230;</p>
<p>Second: You do not even know me yet you feel the need to call me an idiot, is this the tolerance that you are preaching?</p>
<p>Third: At what time during the dancing and showing off of their bodies during this parade were they opposing the &#8220;anti-gay&#8221; laws you speak of?</p>
<p>Fourth:  You seem to be an expert on nothing else but digression on ranting.  I will speak out against evil every chance that I get, this is my duty as a Muslim&#8230;so you will have to excuse me if I don&#8217;t &#8220;shut the heck up&#8221;.  The rest of your comments are nothing more than garbage and senseless words (stomping etc&#8230;)  Please do comment when you have something of substance to say.  Until then, happy ranting!</p>
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		<title>By: maybel</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 13:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yousef,

As a heterosexual who volunteered at Gay Pride this year,let me say that I never saw those half naked men of whom you talk about. But if you mean they had no shirts on(which IS half naked) then I saw plenty and in that case,let me defend them by saying it&#039;s summer and hot!
Somehow I don&#039;t see you complaining about the women,some of who wear short shorts and bikini tops. Hypocritical much? So until you start complaining about the women too, go frak yourself.
I digress. So what if they are half naked,like some people said, it is the one day they get to be themselves without fear of being attacked,bullied or bloodied up or meeting idiots like you. Let them be!
And there ARE anti-gay laws in the USA. Our &quot;wonderful&quot; president is pushing a law to ban gay marriage/civil unions,hate laws(because it&#039;d protect those &quot;unnatural&quot; sinners) and has left it up to the states to handle the issue of LGBT issues which they have been doing oh so well: A govt worker in Florida was fired after she transitioned MTF and they gave some weak reason that she missed work for a week.

I rant. My point: If they and we(supporters or &quot;enablers&quot;) are not in your damn face, shut the heck up. I doubt you&#039;re bold enough to go face to face to some gay men and spout off this crap because you know damn well you will be stomped!

*sorry if i didn&#039;t comment on NUS or whatever;don&#039;t live in England*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yousef,</p>
<p>As a heterosexual who volunteered at Gay Pride this year,let me say that I never saw those half naked men of whom you talk about. But if you mean they had no shirts on(which IS half naked) then I saw plenty and in that case,let me defend them by saying it&#8217;s summer and hot!<br />
Somehow I don&#8217;t see you complaining about the women,some of who wear short shorts and bikini tops. Hypocritical much? So until you start complaining about the women too, go frak yourself.<br />
I digress. So what if they are half naked,like some people said, it is the one day they get to be themselves without fear of being attacked,bullied or bloodied up or meeting idiots like you. Let them be!<br />
And there ARE anti-gay laws in the USA. Our &#8220;wonderful&#8221; president is pushing a law to ban gay marriage/civil unions,hate laws(because it&#8217;d protect those &#8220;unnatural&#8221; sinners) and has left it up to the states to handle the issue of LGBT issues which they have been doing oh so well: A govt worker in Florida was fired after she transitioned MTF and they gave some weak reason that she missed work for a week.</p>
<p>I rant. My point: If they and we(supporters or &#8220;enablers&#8221;) are not in your damn face, shut the heck up. I doubt you&#8217;re bold enough to go face to face to some gay men and spout off this crap because you know damn well you will be stomped!</p>
<p>*sorry if i didn&#8217;t comment on NUS or whatever;don&#8217;t live in England*</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-4444</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see what&#039;s so objectionable about my point regarding accountability: perhaps you didn&#039;t grasp my meaning. If Pav became a big &quot;gay Muslim&quot; figure some time in the future (he isn&#039;t just now), with his NUS leadership as a springboard to that, people could question FOSIS as to why they supported him while being aware of this real possibility. I see this is as a more justified criticism than in such a case where it is a non-Muslim gay candidate. Nothing is black-n-white...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what&#8217;s so objectionable about my point regarding accountability: perhaps you didn&#8217;t grasp my meaning. If Pav became a big &#8220;gay Muslim&#8221; figure some time in the future (he isn&#8217;t just now), with his NUS leadership as a springboard to that, people could question FOSIS as to why they supported him while being aware of this real possibility. I see this is as a more justified criticism than in such a case where it is a non-Muslim gay candidate. Nothing is black-n-white&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fugstar</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-4356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fugstar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ETHICAL: The Muslim delegates would be accountable to the Ummah and later to God for the decision they make, which could boost a fitnah-maker.


OMG, you actually wrote accountable to the Ummah. Lets not live in Ummahtic CLoud Cuckoo land. What on earth does that mean in the NUS context? The entrenched isoc interest? The less organised muslims? all of our parents? The need of the ummah for the muslim britons to be smart and forwardly stanced and to support them in the shared challenge of development?

Muslim strategy and tactics at the uni and umbrella uni are rubbish.

This gay muslim scene is really quite developed. i wonder where it will go.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ETHICAL: The Muslim delegates would be accountable to the Ummah and later to God for the decision they make, which could boost a fitnah-maker.</p>
<p>OMG, you actually wrote accountable to the Ummah. Lets not live in Ummahtic CLoud Cuckoo land. What on earth does that mean in the NUS context? The entrenched isoc interest? The less organised muslims? all of our parents? The need of the ummah for the muslim britons to be smart and forwardly stanced and to support them in the shared challenge of development?</p>
<p>Muslim strategy and tactics at the uni and umbrella uni are rubbish.</p>
<p>This gay muslim scene is really quite developed. i wonder where it will go.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-4127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sonia - what is dishonest here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonia &#8211; what is dishonest here?</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-4115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sonia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 02:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about being honest?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about being honest?</p>
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		<title>By: Alista</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/07/04/pav-out-proud-after-all/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alista]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and forgot to mention she is Pav&#039;s successor as Black Students Officer at NUS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and forgot to mention she is Pav&#8217;s successor as Black Students Officer at NUS.</p>
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