Comments on: The power of wishful thinking http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/ Principled, compassionate Islamic perspective Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:47:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Rasheed Eldin http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-15318 Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:12:33 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-15318 I don’t know why you bothered trying to lend your anti-religious screed credibility by saying that you are “someone who identifies as a Muslim”. Your rant against Islam was one of the lucky ones that got through moderation, just to give readers a taster of what’s “out there”.

]]> By: Ali Aryani http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-15246 Sun, 31 Oct 2010 10:10:21 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-15246 I’m sick and tired of you literalist fools who claim the literal words of a book are the perfect solutions to all of life’s situations and issues when it’s clearly not!,..You need to open your eyes and look at reality,..queer sexuality is real and people need a real and health way to satisfy their sexuality and by the way,..same sex behaviors have been observed in the animal kingdom and most people exhibit attraction to both sexes to a certain extent.
As someone who identifies as a Muslim, I know Islam means to submit, to make peace with the truth, the truth is what we know as Allah, not some vague image in our mind solely conjured up by the words of the Qur’an. The Qur’an only works when you interpret it according to the reality you live in and experience not by following its literal wording.
If that’s the way you want to go, your religion is nothing but a dangerous, oppressive and poisonous superstition and your much better of stepping back and taking a break from it and thinking about why you call yourself Muslim and what is your religion supposed to do for you?
The only reason to call oneself Muslims is that the notion of Islam of submission to reality, to the truth is right, and to do that one has to judge things based on practical reality! If being Muslim means nothing but following the literal wording of the Qur’an and the hadiths, even when they conflict with evidence and situations of reality, then the world is much better off without such Muslims, it would be better off with arreligious people! The same goes to Christians and Jews especially, and with any religious dogma! If religion means dogma it’s garbage, that should be thrown in the trash before it poisons the world! Religion should be a tool to acheive peace, happiness and contentment, not an ideology that forces self suppression, ignorance and blind faith! Such ideologies are nothing but descpicable methods of social manipulation and control, dangerous fascist and materialist mechanisms of greed and opression!

]]> By: Rasheed Eldin http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-14924 Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:31:29 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-14924 Salam Orssa,

I don’t think we portray these issues as easy, let alone claiming that the life of a believer who finds that he is attracted to the same sex could ever be easy.

I agree there is a problem with many imams, which I think stems from a lack of awareness, and failing to realise how to show the compassion of Islam towards those who sincerely want to please Allah, and how to reason with those who have chosen otherwise.

We don’t sit and condemn, nor do we deprive our brothers and sisters in faith and in humanity of prayers for their mercy.

What I worry about is that ultimately you might – as many people do – be implying that true compassion would be in not criticising sin, and giving people a green light: green for Islam and green for go! But covering up the real teachings of Islam in order to make some people feel happy is not kindness, but the worst sort of betrayal.

Brutal honesty isn’t good, but it is infinitely better than sugar-coated lies.

Best wishes brother and feel free to stick around if you have questions.

]]> By: Orssa http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-14922 Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:34:10 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-14922 It is so easy for muslim Imams to affirm what Is wrong and what is not…is that what you guys are good at? are you ever gonna learn how to actually lead people into believing you, are you ever gonna offer genuine compassion for being human and the will to sin…

you all think the hard thing is just to say this and that is wrong and haha who the hell does he think he is we are scholars and how propestorous everyone is….

I think if the Prophet (Sallah Allah 3alayho wa sallam) foresaw that muslims will be invaded its probably by our eternal vanity and stubborness in understanding that the point is believing that God is the all mighty and trying to propagate that message first and to propagate it unforcedly and in the kindest words or no one is gonna listen…

But Imams dont care…who doesnt want to listen let him burn in hell and mock how lost he is..instead of being mercifull and praying for him…..

You find it so easy to condemn gays, thats why its so easy for gays to feel shut out from imams…when are imams gonna understand that they have to be charming to society for society to trust them instead of being so Righteous and so condescending..

Prophet Mohamed was not like that…and Although God stood right By him he was not like that…so its amazing to Me how a fellow human the same position I am…thinks he can claim that God doesn’t like me…

A gay muslim…tormented from finding no respite or guidance to a sane life

]]> By: Rasheed Eldin http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-822 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 02:45:25 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-822 I apologise to myself, to our readers and to Brian Whitaker for still not having written my review of his book/chapters on the Islamic position on homosexuality.

Since his views are based on Scott Kugle’s, I want to refute Kugle first, so what I say about Whitaker can be briefer. But I still haven’t got round to that either! Pray for me please.

Meanwhile, I remind you of this excellent snapshot of Kugle’s contributions:
http://www.mereislam.info/2005/05/fons-vitae-ibn-ata-allah-al-iskandari.html#c111705516154348396

]]> By: Yousef http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-504 Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:26:27 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-504 Perhaps the stand is from the homosexualists against all these religions, have you ever thought of it that way?

]]> By: Rasheed Eldin http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-494 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:11:43 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-494 Yusoof, where do you live? I’m interested because I live in the UK and have personally never heard the subject of homosexuality mentioned in the Jumu’ah khutbah.

The voice of compassion is there, even though it is hard to find. Hopefully you will find it here, even though we are firm on our opinions against what Allah has forbidden, and firm against people with weak arguments with devious intentions.

]]> By: yusoof abdullah http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-493 Tue, 04 Jul 2006 11:00:11 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-493 Its been such old stand against gay men and woman , we see the hate speech being preached from the pulpit on Friday Assembly prayers. So many muslims young and old are striving for a liitle reasonbale compansion from the theoelogins but to no awail , so they become lased muslim, with love for the creator they carry intill death .

So let carry this ” burden ” and do not forget your maker .

]]> By: Rasheed Eldin http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-371 Wed, 24 May 2006 09:26:51 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-371 Aside from the political backlash Arabic papers might face if printing such claptrap, I think that Diab would be utterly unable to sustain the deceit if writing in Arabic, not just because of the higher Qur’anic knowledge of many of those readers (some of whom would no doubt refute him comprehensively), but because the whole deception perpetrated by the Queer Muslims depends on mistranslations and portraying the Qur’an as mystifying and open to any interpretation. The Qur’an is deep, and one can go beyond the surface meaning, but this requires knowledge and sound methodology: base desires are the greatest enemy to sincerity in this matter.

]]> By: Yousef http://gaymuslims.org/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-344 Tue, 16 May 2006 10:44:17 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/05/16/the-power-of-wishful-thinking/#comment-344 It’s rather outrageous that a newspaper with (somewhat) of a reputation in the Arab world would print such nonesense about the Qur’an and tafsir. I’d be willing to say that they wouldn’t print such an article in their Arabic newspaper. Diab’s unfairly brief and highly inaccurate explanation of why acts of homosexuality (lutiya as he incorrectly translates it) are reflective of his ignorance of both the topic at hand and the Islamic science of tarfsir. It would probably have given him some credibility if he quoted some scholars on the issue…unless, of course, he’s adopting the view of some members of MGM that we are all scholars.

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