Comments on: The role of the “scholars” http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/ Principled, compassionate Islamic perspective Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:47:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Obsessive Scottish Muslim? « Eye on ‘Gay Muslims’ http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-14701 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:59:03 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-14701 [...] is very important to him to insist he’s an “academic“, because that apparently gives him the right to say whatever he wants about Islam and we [...]

]]> By: Chav-blogga http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-4125 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:56:25 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-4125 Sonia,

As the pop song goes: ‘it’s my life, don’t you forget..”. Me too was excited to find that personal choices should literally be, personal!!

Why don’t we both go looking for other blogs to see if others agree with us? That would be fun wouldn’t it, sweetie.

]]> By: Taleb Haqq http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-4124 Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:51:25 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-4124 Sonia: Do you claim to be an expert on Islam? In any other academic field, if there is something particular that you don’t understand, you would ask the experts (you know..the ones that studied the sciences of that topic). Such is the case in Islam. The question is: whether or not you believe in Islam. That in itself is a completely different topic. If you are convinced of Islam as your religion and you had a question about a particular topic that you don’t know about, that is when you ask the experts.

]]> By: sonia http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-4117 Sun, 18 Feb 2007 03:01:45 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-4117 Look – get this straight. ( ha ignore the pun) no one can justify anyone else’s choices and legitimize them – forget the whole gay business – it applies to everything. each one of us is accountable for ourselves – if mr. mullah told you x y or z it is still up to YOU to use your brain. You interpret religious dogma and turn it into action. YOu are responsible. NOt anyone else.

Sorry for that bit of news

]]> By: Rasheed Eldin http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-2423 Sun, 10 Dec 2006 14:03:17 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-2423 Wa ‘alaykum salam and thanks for your point Yusuf. It’s a sensitive matter, sure, but I don’t see that I am disqualified from declaring Kugle’s theories as “nonsense”. This is because he is not a scholar in the understood Islamic context, but rather he is an academic and has (and this is in a sense a good thing) written his arguments in the Western academic style. Within our academic environment, such critique is appropriate (though of course it should be civil). Where I become slightly less than civil is when the theories become a “fatwa” that misleads people, and this is about more than theories – he is playing with people’s afterlives. I’m not going to be silent in the face of that!

]]> By: Yousef http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-2421 Sun, 10 Dec 2006 06:58:49 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-2421 Br. Yusuf,
In the absence of scholars taking up the issues it is up to the people (us) to refute the claims using the knowledge from other scholars.
Allah A’lam, God knows best….

]]> By: Yusuf http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-2415 Sun, 10 Dec 2006 01:52:08 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-2415 Salaam,

You said; “The problem is that these people, of various levels of (or even claims to) scholarship, are writing their views with virtually no challenge presented by the world of Muslim scholarship, which could quash their vain speculations with no problem at all. It is incumbent on this Ummah, or rather a specific part of it, to present responses to their dangerous claims. ”

You say that these arguments can be quashed with no problem at all. To me that suggests that even you have prejudged the issue. You’ve already stated that you’re not a scholar, so it must follow that you are unqualified to assess their arguments and attach sufficient weight to them.

I imagine you are unlikely to have read one full length original opinion from a mainstream scholar and thus know what the mainstream opinion is. I’m sure you know the summary of the mainstream opinoin “homosexuality is haram”, but it is slightly disingenuous to, without support, state that the arguments raised by the likes of Siraj Kugle are nonsense.

Just a point of order.

]]> By: Yousef http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-268 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:46:38 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-268 Br. Khalid, it’s even worse!! It’s not fatwa-shopping, it’s fatwa-making. Alot of times the justification for these “scholars’” “fatwas” are made by the notion that “take whatever makes sense to me and leave whatever doesn’t” and “do whatever FEELS right”. This, of course, is not the process that the scholars should be using to come up with Islamic jursiprudence. That task involves intensive research and estreme dependence on the Qur’an and Sunnah and the reserach of previous scholars.

]]> By: Khalid http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-267 Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:40:35 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-267 Brother Yousef made a valid observation.

Truth is without a doubt superior to falsehood.

When the author states that he does not believe any one faith is superior to another, he is claiming that in his eyes all faiths are equally right.

If such were the case, then several contradictory claims and beleifs would all be right at one and the same time: the belief in many gods, one god, or no god at all (and there are so many other examples one can provide). If all are right, then what is wrong?

Respect for individuals of other faiths is one thing, but acceptance of all faiths as equally valid is quite another.

Surely, in view of all the varying and contradictory beliefs and claims, it would seem that all faiths cannot be right.

In my eyes, there is just one right path….that of Islam.

On the topic of “progressive scholars”, it is a shame that people go out for “fatwa-shopping” just because they want to justify their vain desires. Homosexuality was, is, and always will be forbidden in Islam.

May Allah guide us all to the straight path, Ameen.

]]> By: Yousef http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-266 Sun, 09 Apr 2006 15:12:48 +0000 https://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/04/08/the-role-of-the-scholars/#comment-266 These “scholars” represent nothing more than Islamic extremism…the other side of it that is. I really don’t understand why that message was posted on the MGM group. If the author believes that any belief system “must be a good one” then I really don’t know why he’s sticking to Islamic duties (if he is at all). God doesn’t need his starving nor his prayers.

Indeed, as we know in Islam, the reward of Islam is an expensive one…that of Paradise, and we must strive to attain that…and over and over again we are told in the Qur’an that Allah’s path is clear (not just any path). If his claim were to be the correct one, then who does he believe are the inhabitants of Hell?

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