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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re not &#8220;ex-gay&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Strugglers: the homosexualist blind-spot? &#171; Eye on &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217;</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/04/were-not-ex-gay/#comment-15749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Strugglers: the homosexualist blind-spot? &#171; Eye on &#8216;Gay Muslims&#8217;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] are tricky enough without getting muddled up by loose words. I have critiqued the term &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; on several grounds, but I&#8217;ll add another: it&#8217;s used by homosexualists to push [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are tricky enough without getting muddled up by loose words. I have critiqued the term &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; on several grounds, but I&#8217;ll add another: it&#8217;s used by homosexualists to push [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/04/were-not-ex-gay/#comment-1083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So you&#039;re an idiot then? Never mind the term...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re an idiot then? Never mind the term&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sonia</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/04/were-not-ex-gay/#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sonia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[never mind the term - so you&#039;re gay then? :-) and making such a fuss about everybody else..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>never mind the term &#8211; so you&#8217;re gay then? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  and making such a fuss about everybody else..</p>
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		<title>By: Back in Business! &#171; Disputed Mutability</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/04/were-not-ex-gay/#comment-1068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Back in Business! &#171; Disputed Mutability]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 19:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I think I&#8217;m mostly caught up on email and comments.  I haven&#8217;t yet replied to Rasheed Eldin&#8217;s comment on my post about the word &#8220;exgay,&#8221; which includes a link to this excellent post:  &#8220;We&#8217;re Not Ex-gay,&#8221;    which discusses (among other things) what I think is probably the best reason for avoiding the exgay label&#8211;namely, the fact that it significantly buys into the whole gay/sexual-orientation way of thinking about things.  Anyway, I&#8217;ve put off responding in the comment thread as I want to do another post on the question of the &#8220;exgay&#8221; label soon, and so it seems like it would be best to hit those two birds with one stone.  But check out Rasheed&#8217;s whole blog Eye On Gay Muslims in the meantime. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I think I&#8217;m mostly caught up on email and comments.  I haven&#8217;t yet replied to Rasheed Eldin&#8217;s comment on my post about the word &#8220;exgay,&#8221; which includes a link to this excellent post:  &#8220;We&#8217;re Not Ex-gay,&#8221;    which discusses (among other things) what I think is probably the best reason for avoiding the exgay label&#8211;namely, the fact that it significantly buys into the whole gay/sexual-orientation way of thinking about things.  Anyway, I&#8217;ve put off responding in the comment thread as I want to do another post on the question of the &#8220;exgay&#8221; label soon, and so it seems like it would be best to hit those two birds with one stone.  But check out Rasheed&#8217;s whole blog Eye On Gay Muslims in the meantime. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/04/were-not-ex-gay/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 02:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mustafa: your comments are interesting. Far too interesting for a brief reply! I&#039;m keeping them in mind for a future discussion insha&#039; Allah. Please do keep commenting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mustafa: your comments are interesting. Far too interesting for a brief reply! I&#8217;m keeping them in mind for a future discussion insha&#8217; Allah. Please do keep commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa Arif</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/04/were-not-ex-gay/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mustafa Arif]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 03:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think we should be categorising communities on the basis of semantics. People define themselves based on different aspects of their self that they deem important.

Let&#039;s take an example - geography. For many people, their local community is an important part of their identity. For others, such as myself, it&#039;s non-existent. I live in Golders Green (suburban North London). Golders Green has a strong, vibrant community, which I rarely dip into as I&#039;m too absorbed in my work/studying and the only time I&#039;m ever in Golders Green is when I&#039;m at home. So for me it&#039;s not an important aspect of my life - but it is for many people who live their lives more locally.

Similarly, I&#039;m sure there are people who experience same-sex attractions who do not see it as part of their identity. But the truth is that in the last 30-40 years a &quot;gay&quot; identity has emerged. It may not be entirely logical but it is there. So, whatever the rights or wrongs, there is a &quot;gay&quot; community. I would suggest that the cause of the development of this identity is a direct consequence of the hatred and discrimination that many such people have suffered.

Of course this does not have any bearing on the Islamic view of homosexuality which you articulate well. However, as co-citizens in a secular country I think we need to be able to have a healthy dialoge with the gay community and that cannot happen unless we recognise that they exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think we should be categorising communities on the basis of semantics. People define themselves based on different aspects of their self that they deem important.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take an example &#8211; geography. For many people, their local community is an important part of their identity. For others, such as myself, it&#8217;s non-existent. I live in Golders Green (suburban North London). Golders Green has a strong, vibrant community, which I rarely dip into as I&#8217;m too absorbed in my work/studying and the only time I&#8217;m ever in Golders Green is when I&#8217;m at home. So for me it&#8217;s not an important aspect of my life &#8211; but it is for many people who live their lives more locally.</p>
<p>Similarly, I&#8217;m sure there are people who experience same-sex attractions who do not see it as part of their identity. But the truth is that in the last 30-40 years a &#8220;gay&#8221; identity has emerged. It may not be entirely logical but it is there. So, whatever the rights or wrongs, there is a &#8220;gay&#8221; community. I would suggest that the cause of the development of this identity is a direct consequence of the hatred and discrimination that many such people have suffered.</p>
<p>Of course this does not have any bearing on the Islamic view of homosexuality which you articulate well. However, as co-citizens in a secular country I think we need to be able to have a healthy dialoge with the gay community and that cannot happen unless we recognise that they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Feras</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/04/04/were-not-ex-gay/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Feras]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re so right. &quot;Ex-gay&quot; is a false term, and many people whom I&#039;ve met who use this term deny that they truly identify with it. But sadly society has taken it on and now the only way to make people understand seems to be by using their terminology. Society these days needs to be corrected in so many ways in order to return to the straight path; perhaps starting with correcting the terminology is the best way to allow others to engage in healthy debate and then understand each other. Good job on this site! Keep it up! salams...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so right. &#8220;Ex-gay&#8221; is a false term, and many people whom I&#8217;ve met who use this term deny that they truly identify with it. But sadly society has taken it on and now the only way to make people understand seems to be by using their terminology. Society these days needs to be corrected in so many ways in order to return to the straight path; perhaps starting with correcting the terminology is the best way to allow others to engage in healthy debate and then understand each other. Good job on this site! Keep it up! salams&#8230;</p>
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