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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-17482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Salam, Mohammad, and thanks for your question and points. Please keep browsing through the site, as I have written a great deal more on these subjects since this post almost 6 years ago!

&quot;What do you mean when you say that homosexuality as an identity is a debatable concept?&quot;

- I mean that some people with same-sex attraction decide that they &quot;are&quot; gay, and that&#039;s &quot;who I am&quot;, an inseparable part of identity. People can define themselves as they please, but the problem is when this ruling is extended to others. So they say &quot;if you have SSA you *are* gay&quot; etc., and that is unfair on a person who does not wish to be defined by some particular feeling, inclination, or problem that they are struggling with. Then, coupled with the odd notion that it&#039;s &quot;wrong to change who you are&quot;, it becomes a pseudo-religious doctrine that people should accept that they *are* homosexuals and should behave accordingly.

&quot;I guess you are saying that the origin of one’s sexual orientation could be debated as either made through nature or made through nurture?&quot;

- In either case, the matter is the same. Even if it&#039;s somehow due to nature (genetics), then it could be called part of &quot;genetic identity&quot;, no more. I don&#039;t believe a person is defined by his or her physical characteristics, let alone the thoughts that cross their mind. We are what we choose to be, and choose to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salam, Mohammad, and thanks for your question and points. Please keep browsing through the site, as I have written a great deal more on these subjects since this post almost 6 years ago!</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you mean when you say that homosexuality as an identity is a debatable concept?&#8221;</p>
<p>- I mean that some people with same-sex attraction decide that they &#8220;are&#8221; gay, and that&#8217;s &#8220;who I am&#8221;, an inseparable part of identity. People can define themselves as they please, but the problem is when this ruling is extended to others. So they say &#8220;if you have SSA you *are* gay&#8221; etc., and that is unfair on a person who does not wish to be defined by some particular feeling, inclination, or problem that they are struggling with. Then, coupled with the odd notion that it&#8217;s &#8220;wrong to change who you are&#8221;, it becomes a pseudo-religious doctrine that people should accept that they *are* homosexuals and should behave accordingly.</p>
<p>&#8220;I guess you are saying that the origin of one’s sexual orientation could be debated as either made through nature or made through nurture?&#8221;</p>
<p>- In either case, the matter is the same. Even if it&#8217;s somehow due to nature (genetics), then it could be called part of &#8220;genetic identity&#8221;, no more. I don&#8217;t believe a person is defined by his or her physical characteristics, let alone the thoughts that cross their mind. We are what we choose to be, and choose to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammad</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-17473</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mohammad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you mean when you say that homosexuality as an identity is a debatable concept? 

I guess you are saying that the origin of one&#039;s sexual orientation could be debated as either made through nature or made through nurture?  

I would like to know how these people in the documentary discovered that they were homosexual. Researching the the history and psychological aspects of these people&#039;s lives would really help us understand how they rationalize the lifestyle of being gay and being Muslim at the same time. Of course I am not talking about a practicing homosexual, because that point has obviously already been proven.

If we truly want to help these people, we have to look at what started this disease (and yes I am referring to homosexuality as a disease), and rid them of the evil that lurks within them causing temptations to do haraam. I call it a disease because it is no different than alcoholism as a disease, or any other addiction for that matter. 

I agree with you Rasheed, in the sense that we can be more efficient as a community if we try to understand these people&#039;s feelings through better communication, open hearts, and open minds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean when you say that homosexuality as an identity is a debatable concept? </p>
<p>I guess you are saying that the origin of one&#8217;s sexual orientation could be debated as either made through nature or made through nurture?  </p>
<p>I would like to know how these people in the documentary discovered that they were homosexual. Researching the the history and psychological aspects of these people&#8217;s lives would really help us understand how they rationalize the lifestyle of being gay and being Muslim at the same time. Of course I am not talking about a practicing homosexual, because that point has obviously already been proven.</p>
<p>If we truly want to help these people, we have to look at what started this disease (and yes I am referring to homosexuality as a disease), and rid them of the evil that lurks within them causing temptations to do haraam. I call it a disease because it is no different than alcoholism as a disease, or any other addiction for that matter. </p>
<p>I agree with you Rasheed, in the sense that we can be more efficient as a community if we try to understand these people&#8217;s feelings through better communication, open hearts, and open minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mustafa</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-14487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mustafa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not a sin to be gay in Islam. It is not a sin to desire to drink water while fasting in Ramadan. But, planing a sin whether breaking a fast when its harm to do so or planing to have sexual relations is a sin. Khalid do not worry about being gay. Just do not plan on doing any sexual behavior with guys and you will be fine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not a sin to be gay in Islam. It is not a sin to desire to drink water while fasting in Ramadan. But, planing a sin whether breaking a fast when its harm to do so or planing to have sexual relations is a sin. Khalid do not worry about being gay. Just do not plan on doing any sexual behavior with guys and you will be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: khalid</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-11133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[khalid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[help me out! I am going through the same situation. I am gay and i am muslim.

I got stress thinking day adn night that I am sinner and I am not able to change myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>help me out! I am going through the same situation. I am gay and i am muslim.</p>
<p>I got stress thinking day adn night that I am sinner and I am not able to change myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be a good idea to see the second part of this article, where I did discuss those points:
http://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/the-c4-documentary-ii/

If you have follow-up questions, please ask them there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be a good idea to see the second part of this article, where I did discuss those points:<br />
<a href="http://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/the-c4-documentary-ii/" rel="nofollow">http://gaymuslims.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/the-c4-documentary-ii/</a></p>
<p>If you have follow-up questions, please ask them there.</p>
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		<title>By: afroz</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[afroz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 19:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m interested in finding out what you think about there not being a word in the Quran which means &#039;gay&#039; or &#039;homosexual&#039;.

your article is rather confusing - are you suggesting that people ought to overcome temptation if they are attracted to the same sex?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m interested in finding out what you think about there not being a word in the Quran which means &#8216;gay&#8217; or &#8216;homosexual&#8217;.</p>
<p>your article is rather confusing &#8211; are you suggesting that people ought to overcome temptation if they are attracted to the same sex?</p>
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		<title>By: Rasheed Eldin</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rasheed Eldin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My short answer to that is that my reference was to our British culture and history, not to any other context.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My short answer to that is that my reference was to our British culture and history, not to any other context.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-300</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It could also be a sign that children in our society are somehow having their childhood innocence taken from them, with sexual awareness being the norm for modern children far earlier and more widely than it would have been, not long ago.&quot;

Far earlier?  I thought that not long ago some people out there sure expected their daughters to have far more sexual awareness that early because they were marrying off these girls at age 9.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It could also be a sign that children in our society are somehow having their childhood innocence taken from them, with sexual awareness being the norm for modern children far earlier and more widely than it would have been, not long ago.&#8221;</p>
<p>Far earlier?  I thought that not long ago some people out there sure expected their daughters to have far more sexual awareness that early because they were marrying off these girls at age 9.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeS</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MikeS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 19:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make many good points, but in the end one either believes that &#039;religion&#039;, whatever that is, is sufficient grounds to inform our ethics and behaviour or not. If it is, one can hardly argue that it is reasonable to be a &#039;practising gay&#039; muslim. I know that you are not making that case, but the people in the documentary were, and I think it not unreasonable to assume that there are many more like them (&#039;practising gay&#039; muslims) and not unreasonable to think that they are confused about the nature of mainstream Islam. I think you should check out my favourite blog, Butterflies and Wheels. You may recoil initially from its atheism, but your considered and largely reasonable views could make an informed contribution to many of the discussions, particularly on areas such as free speech.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make many good points, but in the end one either believes that &#8216;religion&#8217;, whatever that is, is sufficient grounds to inform our ethics and behaviour or not. If it is, one can hardly argue that it is reasonable to be a &#8216;practising gay&#8217; muslim. I know that you are not making that case, but the people in the documentary were, and I think it not unreasonable to assume that there are many more like them (&#8216;practising gay&#8217; muslims) and not unreasonable to think that they are confused about the nature of mainstream Islam. I think you should check out my favourite blog, Butterflies and Wheels. You may recoil initially from its atheism, but your considered and largely reasonable views could make an informed contribution to many of the discussions, particularly on areas such as free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Md Hafiz</title>
		<link>http://gaymuslims.org/2006/01/24/the-c4-documentary-i/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Md Hafiz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feras, Rasheed is Gaymuslims :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feras, Rasheed is Gaymuslims <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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